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this hope radiates for the masses

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headliner between July 8 1947

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the Air Force has announced on applying

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quickly our differences worldwide would

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vanish if we were facing an alien threat

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church on the game-changer Radio Network

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you are listening to thank you black

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with Jimmy judge on the game change in

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good evening how are you doing

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it is truly bespoke radio for the masses

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today's Tuesday October 1st 2019 275

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and we are live from a bunker somewhere

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in the middle of beautiful downtown

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Burbank California I would like to

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welcome everybody listening all around

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planets I am your host Jimmy Church what

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is crack and everybody how you do it how

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we went out to Palm Springs for the

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weekend and hung out with our friends

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and have a little birthday party for

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Rita it was an amazing weekend but just

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amazing a holic all counts and I was

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gifted this while we all work the

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official Church of whoo

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coffee mug the Church of whoo Man River

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Moon coffee tastes extra special out of

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that mug all right so yeah we took

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yesterday off we had to we traveled back

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from Palm Springs yesterday and let me

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just say this that was the best night's

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sleep I had last night oh man so but

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here we are we're back we've got a great

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week lined up tonight Calvin Parker is

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here the Pascagoula incidents I cannot

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wait there are there are many many many

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seminal huge events in UFO history and

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Pascagoula is right there with all of

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them and I am talking about Roswell

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Rendlesham these are you know in

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Pascagoula right these are you know the

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Lubbock lights the Phoenix lights very

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huge events and Pascagoula is is there

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and tonight Calvin Parker on October 11

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1973 19-year old Calvin Parker and his

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friend 42 year old Charles Hickson were

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fishing on the Pascagoula River in

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Mississippi in the early evening both

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men were startled to witness a strange

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craft ascend and hover a few yards away

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and this became one of the biggest Close

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Encounters in history the Pasco

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goula incident Calvin Parker seriously

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disturbed by these events has largely

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remained in the background without ever

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detailing the full account of what

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happened that night how it affected him

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in his life and other close encounters

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he has experienced down the years but as

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recently decided to come out into the

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public which he has been doing over the

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last month month and a half to tell his

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story and tonight he's gonna do it in

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full tonight on fade to black

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there you go I'm gonna welcome for the

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first time to fade to black mr. Calvin

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Parker Calvin good evening how are you

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doing great how are y'all do it that's

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what I'm talking about Calvin now okay

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before we get started this is the this

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is the good stuff

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Calvin you get the first-time guests

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disclaimer okay so this is okay yeah

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this is it

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Calvin it's just you and I sitting on my

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couch having a conversation as friends

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where the conversation starts it starts

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where it ends it ends but we're gonna

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end his friends there you go you ready

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I'm ready you know Calvin I am 56 years

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old and in 19 now and second the part of

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that statement is my birthday is October

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10th by the way so the day after my

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birthday October 11th 1973 I would have

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turned 10 years old I was caught up in

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this just like everybody else was around

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the world this wasn't a local

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Mississippi thing or a United States

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thing this was an international news

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story that broke and it broke fast and I

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was witness to it I'm glad that I was 10

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years old I was very interested in the

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subject at that time but I watched this

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and you overtake the world I kind of

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want to start there before we get to the

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event ok on that day October 11th your

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life is one thing right you're in

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control of it until yeah that evening

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I don't have another way to put it

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except for all hell broke loose didn't

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it I mean and when it did it did and it

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wasn't no stopping it I ever since

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October 11th that ADA and there's been a

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whirlwind for the last 45 years the the

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change that had to occur in your life

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of course you personally but you've got

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your friends you've got your family and

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everybody around you is also affected by

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this right yeah the biggest reason they

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were affected is though I never talked

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about it

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until I decided to sit down last year

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and do this book right and I'm glad I

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waited for 45 years to do it because I

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couldn't have stood the rush of all this

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you know very long at a time the the way

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that the story broke out and wouldn't

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you have as with anybody where you have

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your own little bubble your own little

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world your job you know your family you

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you know you're set in your ways and

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then something like this comes along you

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this is something that you didn't ask

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for and you are forced into a change a

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change in your mind a change in the way

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that you look at the world a lot of

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questions were answered for you that

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some people don't ever get answered and

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it's overwhelming how did you manage to

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deal with it you know I actually didn't

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deal with it I don't guess I just kind

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of faded off I've been a recluse for

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forty five years I never talked to my

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family about it and all my friends now

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they knew about it but they never asked

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me about anything until I got pressured

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by my wife and Phillip mantle into

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writing this book you know that if it

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hadn't been for that I still wouldn't be

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saying nothing well the pressure from a

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wife is all you need that's all you need

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gosh

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and how long have you been married 45

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years hold the phone

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shut the front door I got married

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November the 9th of that same year 1973

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so here we're coming up on November the

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9th again so I'd be 46 years I believe

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that's incredible

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oldest statement in the world is at you

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know beside every man is a great woman

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and and she stood by your side for the

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last 45 years congratulations that's him

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that's incredible

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thank you but it had been easy I mean

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we've had our road bumps you know

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through the years now and I hadn't been

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the best husband in the world I just be

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honestly you know yet to deal with

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making a living and then I was dealing

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with all this along with it and the news

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media just about drove us crazy because

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every time we'd move that track us down

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and hunters like vultures

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right right right and it was always the

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same questions to probably that you've

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answered that so many times before the

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same ones but just because you answer

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them a certain way don't mean they gonna

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come out in the press a certain way

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they're bad about changing things a lot

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of the press was and that was part of

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the reason for me y'all sitting down

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doing a book was because Phillip told me

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when he contacted me about the book

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I wouldn't him plan me that one why

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don't you put it in black and white then

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nobody can change this there and you

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know he was right about that I had to

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say hey it opened up another chapter in

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my life but uh you know at least

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nobody's trying to change the story well

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you know where all of this when it comes

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to Pascagoula and in my opening

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statements in the show there are a few

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maybe a half dozen real seminal I mean

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with force cases

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in in ufology that we look back to and

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quote from and and remember and

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Pascagoula is one of them you know when

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you have Roswell or Betty and Barney

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Hill or Travis Walton or a Rendlesham

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and Pascagoula it's it's mentioned in

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the same statement and it is very

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important to all of us

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to not only get this book out that

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you've just published and get it on the

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record but it's a case that we don't

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know a whole lot about because of your

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silence and and I want to thank you for

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writing the book and and taking the time

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to do that you know when I started this

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book that's like I told everybody I

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don't have much education but the deal I

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made with uh the publisher Phillip

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mantle in the UK I told him I said you

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know Phillip I don't have an education

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but the only way I'm gonna do a book I

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don't want a word corrected that I do I

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don't want a punctuation mark put in I

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wanted just like I tell it like it is

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and as far as I know he didn't change

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but one word in the book and that was

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kind of funny we'll get into that act

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why I so want to know what was the word

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cause and how wrong I was eating a

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bologna sandwich one day while I was

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fishing right and he called it a blondie

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sandwich and I guess that's what they

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eat in the UK I don't know what its kind

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of foreign food I guess they eat over

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there I was supposed to make a trip and

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I said you know fill up my little

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redneck cell it's not gonna make it good

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over there I don't speak y'all's

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language because I don't understand your

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language in English too good and I sure

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don't eat the same foods y'all do that

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is you know that is about is honest of a

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statement as has ever been presented on

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fade to black they do have fish and

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chips though they do that fish and chips

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so now that's that's what he said they

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had and you know that's pretty normal

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food there I guess is it's pretty

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normally

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yeah I have it as often as I can

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well let's let's let's do this

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I I have never spoken with you before

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well I did earlier today but I've never

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spoken with you before and this is my

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opportunity like I said this is you and

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I sitting on my couch so if you're

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sitting on my couch the first thing that

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I'm gonna say to you besides would you

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like to have a cold drink would be what

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happened that day so because I want to

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hear this from you directly and so when

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we go back to that day and you've had

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plenty of time to just think this over

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and certainly writing the book did the

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morning of October 11th feel any

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different than any other day absolutely

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not let's go back the day before when I

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got to the coast sure what happened I

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was working in the oil field in Laurel

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Mississippi putting in about 16 hours a

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day seven days a week that's just the

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way the old Phil was back then I got

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tired of that so I called a friend of my

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father's which is Charles Hickson and

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they asked him if he needed some help

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that I was fixing to get married in

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November and he said yeah so he said

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come on down if this is October the 10th

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I went down rented a room from Charley

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and so this was actually my first day

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there was October the 10th mm-hmm I took

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my physical everything and then October

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11th the day started us going to work we

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all got to the shipyard probably at 6

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o'clock of course they don't have time

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clocks at these factories and shipyards

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down here they give you a piece of brass

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with a number on it and you hand it back

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to them and you know you pick it up

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that's your time card they write it down

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when you do that so we pulled up to the

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shipyard now brass tin and everything

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looked to be going good for

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it was pretty warm still for an october

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down here it's probably in the 80s 88

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degrees then and we worked all day we

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got ready to get off work and Charlie

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said blues why don't we go fishing this

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evening I said well okay I said but

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Charlie I didn't bring my fishing

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equipment with me I wasn't planning on

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fishing he said look I got some young

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news and we'll go by my house and pick

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it up now in the south you don't borrow

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your man's fishing equipment you just

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soon take his firstborn right instead of

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getting this fishing equipment I said

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well I don't know but yeah let's do it

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it'll be nine so we went to got off work

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we rode to all his house and picked up

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sufficient equipment and about 15

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minutes before he lives in Pascagoula

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Mississippi we took a little ride - what

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- call the drunk grain elevator where

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they unload this grain off his ships and

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it falls off in the water and the fish

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come up meet the grain but that night

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the bugs was so bad till you just

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couldn't stay Oh unless anybody's from

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the coast down here or lose the end they

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got what to call them no Simms you can't

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see them but they got a mouth the size

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of a fruit jar that's right and they

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terrible so we was fighting the bugs off

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he said you know I know some word

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there's not not even lights and things

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to draw these things out here let's go

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over to this old abandoned shipyard the

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saltpeter shipyard and try to do a

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little fishing I said well that sounds

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good I said you know it's getting late

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and I can go on the bed right now

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because I had travelled down the day

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before still and rested up he said well

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let's go try them a little bit there so

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we did we left and we got to this place

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come to sharp hitter shipyard and it was

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an old abandoned shipyard the first

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thing I noticed when we got there was a

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no trespassing sign I said Charlie with

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this here will be trespassing we don't

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need to go and mess up like that they

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said we don't worry about it I come here

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all the time and there's no security or

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nothing here

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I said well next thing I won't know

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don't they ever place this place up or

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pick up anything of this trash cuz it

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was trash laying all over the shipyard

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he said now let me tell you what's

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happened the tide comes in and the water

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gets high in the deposits and stuff up

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here then when it goes out it leaves it

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so we had quite a mess to walk through

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just to get to the pier we was probably

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a couple of hundred foot from the pier

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but it took a good 15 minutes to well

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get in through there for going over the

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marsh grass and debris that was laying

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around break rain so we got to the pier

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and there was no log and we pulled it up

368
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and we were sat down and I casted cast

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it out and he was getting ready and I'm

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done meant out and I was looking across

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the river and there was an old Coast

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Guard ship or maybe a NOAA shield or

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something that was on and in my mind I

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was thinking you know I just went to

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work at the shipyard I've been handling

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this steel all day long and it's those

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heavy how does a steel ship float right

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so that's what that's where my mindset

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was right then what time was this this

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was getting known let's see probably

381
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about six o'clock in the evening okay

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and the Sun was already down but the

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moon was bright one of the brightest

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moons I've ever seen around here and I

385
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was sitting there watching this ship and

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I noticed some blue lights coming from

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behind us reflecting out across the

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water so they got my attention because

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we I thought we was all trespassing and

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the law was coming David Runners awful

391
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lockers up and I turned and looked at

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Charlie of course he looked at me

393
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same time I said if I go to jail you

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gonna have to pay to get me out I'm you

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know I didn't want to come here to start

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with he said well don't worry about it

397
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it ain't slow so we turned and looked at

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the same time and that's when his hazy

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blue lights was reflecting out behind us

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a probably a couple of hundred feet and

401
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all of a sudden it just got Brad it's

402
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like a big spotlight came down on ya the

403
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one of the brightest lights I've ever

404
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seen in my life

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and what that was was the door of this

406
00:20:59,340 --> 00:20:57,610
craft opened it up in this life look

407
00:21:03,120 --> 00:20:59,350
like it was coming from inside this

408
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craft so it kinda it was kind of

409
00:21:09,330 --> 00:21:07,390
blinding now I noticed or something

410
00:21:13,530 --> 00:21:09,340
coming toward us but I really couldn't

411
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:13,540
make it out and I didn't know what to do

412
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actually I was trying to want me to get

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out of there and I said thank you to

414
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myself when I when they got a little

415
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closer these old three robotic looking

416
00:21:32,670 --> 00:21:28,500
beings was floating in toward us and

417
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they was probably five foot tall bulky

418
00:21:38,730 --> 00:21:35,290
they didn't have an air in their head

419
00:21:40,740 --> 00:21:38,740
just sat down on the shoulders and my

420
00:21:43,290 --> 00:21:40,750
first thought was just oh Charlie after

421
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:43,300
our tooling Hall bud that was it that's

422
00:21:48,930 --> 00:21:46,770
what you thought now really quick Calvin

423
00:21:53,460 --> 00:21:48,940
you were 19

424
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:53,470
how old was Charles Charles was 42 years

425
00:21:56,790 --> 00:21:55,120
old man now you're supposed to have

426
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:56,800
respect for your elders man you're not

427
00:22:09,210 --> 00:21:59,440
supposed to throw I would have put it

428
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:09,220
back okay okay so you could see okay a

429
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:12,640
couple of really quick questions did you

430
00:22:18,570 --> 00:22:16,930
get an idea of how big the craft was I

431
00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:18,580
know that the lights coming at you right

432
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so then it would darken everything

433
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:23,560
behind it but did you get did you get a

434
00:22:31,470 --> 00:22:28,690
view of what you know was there you know

435
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:31,480
I didn't get to view until they got

436
00:22:36,540 --> 00:22:34,090
ready to leave right and then it looked

437
00:22:39,690 --> 00:22:36,550
about a hundred ninety to a hundred foot

438
00:22:42,900 --> 00:22:39,700
long so it was pretty big it was big and

439
00:22:45,300 --> 00:22:42,910
it was and it was already there and in

440
00:22:47,550 --> 00:22:45,310
other words you didn't see it land it

441
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this all happened behind you the blue

442
00:22:54,660 --> 00:22:51,010
light was the door opening right so it's

443
00:22:57,570 --> 00:22:54,670
it snuck in didn't it it just kind of

444
00:23:00,480 --> 00:22:57,580
slipped up on us and no actually I don't

445
00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:00,490
understand you know as bad as that

446
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:02,710
debris was it might even been sitting

447
00:23:06,660 --> 00:23:04,000
there well we got there but I don't

448
00:23:10,650 --> 00:23:06,670
think so right because I parked I pulled

449
00:23:14,940 --> 00:23:10,660
my car up where I was part was about 50

450
00:23:20,580 --> 00:23:14,950
75 foot for where it was setting Incred

451
00:23:23,790 --> 00:23:20,590
incredible incredible and so now but

452
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this happened so fast in that now the

453
00:23:29,370 --> 00:23:26,350
doors open this bright you know blinding

454
00:23:33,020 --> 00:23:29,380
blue light is facing you and through the

455
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:33,030
blue light these three beings show up

456
00:23:38,370 --> 00:23:35,890
you have described them and I've seen

457
00:23:41,550 --> 00:23:38,380
the the drawings we'll get to that in

458
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just a bit but you've always described

459
00:23:48,750 --> 00:23:45,640
them as robotic and what is that what

460
00:23:54,450 --> 00:23:48,760
you were thinking at that time or has

461
00:23:58,110 --> 00:23:54,460
this thought come in over time well they

462
00:24:00,690 --> 00:23:58,120
move mechanical like at the time mm-hmm

463
00:24:03,180 --> 00:24:00,700
and you know I've always thought they

464
00:24:04,740 --> 00:24:03,190
was probably robotic to be honest I

465
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:04,750
thought maybe something bunch of old

466
00:24:09,030 --> 00:24:07,120
rednecks was out drinking mm-hmm and

467
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:09,040
they was doing experiment at the

468
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shipyard and they stole something from

469
00:24:16,110 --> 00:24:13,480
there because they build all kind of

470
00:24:18,570 --> 00:24:16,120
craft on this right right and they was

471
00:24:19,850 --> 00:24:18,580
just gonna have some fun with us so what

472
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:19,860
happened next

473
00:24:27,270 --> 00:24:24,250
well these beans come up well we was

474
00:24:30,090 --> 00:24:27,280
both turning around looking and by then

475
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and two of them got ahold of Charlie and

476
00:24:35,310 --> 00:24:32,470
one of them got ahold of myself well

477
00:24:39,500 --> 00:24:35,320
immediately when he reached and grabbed

478
00:24:40,899 --> 00:24:39,510
my left arm I heard a little rush of air

479
00:24:44,889 --> 00:24:40,909
kind of

480
00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:44,899
like real quick it was not loud just

481
00:24:50,859 --> 00:24:48,289
that and I felt an injection in my arm

482
00:24:53,950 --> 00:24:50,869
well I'm kind of glad of that because

483
00:24:57,070 --> 00:24:53,960
that injection seemed to settle me down

484
00:25:00,430 --> 00:24:57,080
and later this was proven in blood

485
00:25:04,599 --> 00:25:00,440
working on by dr. Bosco here to Jackson

486
00:25:08,379 --> 00:25:04,609
County Hospital so when he injected that

487
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:08,389
stuff he more or less paralyzed me now I

488
00:25:14,830 --> 00:25:11,919
could see I could smell I could hear I

489
00:25:17,649 --> 00:25:14,840
can roll my head a little bit and roll

490
00:25:19,539 --> 00:25:17,659
my eyes a little but I couldn't move I

491
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:19,549
could you know I couldn't resist they

492
00:25:25,629 --> 00:25:23,090
were wanting to but it's one of them I

493
00:25:28,089 --> 00:25:25,639
don't give it name shots you know

494
00:25:30,969 --> 00:25:28,099
because I didn't care at that moment

495
00:25:33,399 --> 00:25:30,979
what they're done with me that's just

496
00:25:35,229 --> 00:25:33,409
the effect had right right I went

497
00:25:37,210 --> 00:25:35,239
through that this weekend at a party in

498
00:25:39,519 --> 00:25:37,220
Palm Springs but that's another story

499
00:25:44,259 --> 00:25:39,529
for another time

500
00:25:47,950 --> 00:25:44,269
I told Lee get it now you were relaxed

501
00:25:49,719 --> 00:25:47,960
but on the inside were you having you

502
00:25:52,839 --> 00:25:49,729
know like a holy crap moment

503
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:52,849
we were you realizing you know how

504
00:26:00,039 --> 00:25:56,690
frightening this really could be yeah in

505
00:26:00,940 --> 00:26:00,049
modern terms I figured I'd done messed

506
00:26:05,249 --> 00:26:00,950
up real bad

507
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:05,259
right and to be honest you know come

508
00:26:14,349 --> 00:26:10,129
coming from Mississippi and the cotton

509
00:26:17,379 --> 00:26:14,359
fields and all I never heard of UFOs or

510
00:26:20,919 --> 00:26:17,389
aliens or nothing and the only thing I

511
00:26:25,419 --> 00:26:20,929
heard we had three channels on TV NBC

512
00:26:27,700 --> 00:26:25,429
ABC and CBS at the time and I would kept

513
00:26:30,999 --> 00:26:27,710
up with Apollo missions because you had

514
00:26:33,639 --> 00:26:31,009
to Eva that was on or the president was

515
00:26:36,669 --> 00:26:33,649
talking you know watch out on all three

516
00:26:41,469 --> 00:26:36,679
channels right and I noticed that when

517
00:26:43,719 --> 00:26:41,479
these those astronauts landed the big

518
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:43,729
thing that was in my mind at the time to

519
00:26:50,769 --> 00:26:49,369
set the mindset they are they isolated

520
00:26:52,629 --> 00:26:50,779
them they wouldn't even let their

521
00:26:54,020 --> 00:26:52,639
families in there to see them for seven

522
00:26:57,220 --> 00:26:54,030
days

523
00:27:00,160 --> 00:26:57,230
and I knew something bad was going on

524
00:27:03,620 --> 00:27:00,170
but it was nothing I could do about it

525
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:03,630
so this thing got ahold of my arm

526
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:06,930
did the injection floated me up to the

527
00:27:11,420 --> 00:27:09,120
door and the first thing I was thinking

528
00:27:15,580 --> 00:27:11,430
when we got to the door and I didn't see

529
00:27:18,380 --> 00:27:15,590
Charlie anymore till we got back out I

530
00:27:21,650 --> 00:27:18,390
was wondering what his lights was coming

531
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:21,660
from so I kind of looked up a little bit

532
00:27:27,530 --> 00:27:25,530
looked around you know we've all my eyes

533
00:27:30,140 --> 00:27:27,540
just kind of rolled in we look around

534
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:30,150
row my head then look like I was just

535
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:31,530
coming out of the paint in the walls

536
00:27:37,610 --> 00:27:35,610
that you know and and it could have been

537
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:37,620
some kind of optical illusion or

538
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:39,450
something I don't know just but I didn't

539
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:42,480
see any kind of light fixtures mm-hmm so

540
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:45,090
this thing got me to the door and he

541
00:27:52,340 --> 00:27:49,290
turned left and we went down a hallway

542
00:27:54,860 --> 00:27:52,350
and I don't know how far but it didn't

543
00:27:59,330 --> 00:27:54,870
seem like it took long and then he made

544
00:28:02,060 --> 00:27:59,340
a right turn and there was this room it

545
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:02,070
had one of the prettiest tables I've

546
00:28:06,980 --> 00:28:04,890
ever seen in my life in there and when I

547
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:06,990
say that I'm talking an examination

548
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:10,410
table mm-hmm and it was clear it was

549
00:28:15,950 --> 00:28:13,520
like glass and you know I was almost

550
00:28:18,890 --> 00:28:15,960
afraid when he laid me on it it was

551
00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:18,900
gonna break or something and this thing

552
00:28:25,790 --> 00:28:21,960
skidded me over and he'd laid me on this

553
00:28:30,140 --> 00:28:25,800
table at about a 45 degree angle around

554
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,150
a 16 to a 45 degree angle and this big

555
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:32,880
ugly thing just backed up by the way and

556
00:28:38,210 --> 00:28:35,490
went to the wall and just stood by the

557
00:28:42,490 --> 00:28:38,220
wall emotionally and that was another

558
00:28:45,230 --> 00:28:42,500
thing I decided that it was all robotic

559
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:45,240
because it just went over and just shut

560
00:28:52,670 --> 00:28:49,440
down and I could see my role of my head

561
00:28:54,650 --> 00:28:52,680
a little bit what it was but when I was

562
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:54,660
on this table I was looking straight up

563
00:28:59,660 --> 00:28:57,120
at the ceiling for a second

564
00:29:04,640 --> 00:28:59,670
and there's something about the size of

565
00:29:07,220 --> 00:29:04,650
a deck of cards that uh that came out

566
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:07,230
from the ceiling and come down stalked

567
00:29:11,570 --> 00:29:07,890
about a

568
00:29:14,150 --> 00:29:11,580
a foot and a half from my head and it

569
00:29:18,050 --> 00:29:14,160
started going around my head and it was

570
00:29:20,900 --> 00:29:18,060
clicking and go click click click click

571
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:20,910
then it when it got to one spot in front

572
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:23,490
it stopped and then it just shot back up

573
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:27,570
into the ceiling let's stop right there

574
00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:29,850
Calvin we need to take our commercial

575
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:33,510
break and we will continue from right

576
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:35,250
where we're leaving off when we come

577
00:29:40,190 --> 00:29:36,930
back after this short break our guest

578
00:29:42,260 --> 00:29:40,200
tonight Calvin Parker this is fade to

579
00:29:45,380 --> 00:29:42,270
black I am your host Jimmy Church you

580
00:29:47,930 --> 00:29:45,390
can follow me on twitter at JDO all of

581
00:29:50,090 --> 00:29:47,940
the links for calvin are over at jimmy

582
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:50,100
church radio calm you can go and click

583
00:29:55,010 --> 00:29:52,770
right there and we'll be right back to

584
00:29:56,660 --> 00:29:55,020
continue this conversation after this

585
00:30:16,750 --> 00:29:56,670
short break stay with us

586
00:30:18,980 --> 00:30:16,760
[Music]

587
00:30:20,299 --> 00:30:18,990
welcome back pay the black our meals to

588
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:20,309
me Church our guest tonight Calvin

589
00:30:25,610 --> 00:30:24,090
Parker his new book you can go and click

590
00:30:27,649 --> 00:30:25,620
on the links over at Jimmy Church radio

591
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:27,659
calm it'll take you straight there I do

592
00:30:33,019 --> 00:30:30,720
want to thank Philip mantle for all of

593
00:30:36,889 --> 00:30:33,029
his hard work in setting up tonight's

594
00:30:39,799 --> 00:30:36,899
show Calvin right before the break where

595
00:30:41,899 --> 00:30:39,809
we left off you're you're in this well I

596
00:30:43,690 --> 00:30:41,909
guess we can call it an examination room

597
00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:43,700
we don't have another word for it but

598
00:30:49,129 --> 00:30:46,529
this this object comes down from the

599
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:49,139
ceiling about the size of a deck of

600
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:51,690
cards sounds like it was taking pictures

601
00:30:56,629 --> 00:30:53,760
or something right clicking around your

602
00:31:01,399 --> 00:30:56,639
head or examining you and it was going

603
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:01,409
click click click what uh and you

604
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:05,370
described one of the guys that was there

605
00:31:11,180 --> 00:31:08,130
that stepped up against the wall and

606
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:11,190
like shut down like a robot right and

607
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:12,480
now he's in position

608
00:31:18,769 --> 00:31:14,850
am i described eyes is is this about

609
00:31:22,220 --> 00:31:18,779
right you're exactly right and I was

610
00:31:25,490 --> 00:31:22,230
called a robot Oh big ugly one because

611
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:25,500
we fix a the pretty one come out here in

612
00:31:33,289 --> 00:31:29,490
a minute okay and the the drawings that

613
00:31:36,529 --> 00:31:33,299
I have seen over the years I I don't

614
00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:36,539
know how to best describe them I think I

615
00:31:43,610 --> 00:31:39,720
should let you do it but it looks like

616
00:31:45,620 --> 00:31:43,620
they're it's almost like strings of rope

617
00:31:48,139 --> 00:31:45,630
or something like toothpaste out of a

618
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:48,149
tube you know I don't know how to

619
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:52,080
explain the skin or what would be on the

620
00:31:55,850 --> 00:31:54,960
outside of it it's stringy I don't know

621
00:31:59,840 --> 00:31:55,860
how to explain it

622
00:32:02,899 --> 00:31:59,850
can you describe it well yeah described

623
00:32:05,450 --> 00:32:02,909
it several times though big ugly one now

624
00:32:08,930 --> 00:32:05,460
has skimmed kind of like an elephant or

625
00:32:12,889 --> 00:32:08,940
a manatee okay you know they just kind

626
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:12,899
of wrinkled and pulled down and I'm not

627
00:32:17,450 --> 00:32:15,090
for sure that was a suit on this thing

628
00:32:20,450 --> 00:32:17,460
or what it was but I figured it's some

629
00:32:22,490 --> 00:32:20,460
kind of protective clothing for some

630
00:32:26,659 --> 00:32:22,500
reason I really believe from the bottom

631
00:32:28,940 --> 00:32:26,669
of my heart that these old robotic

632
00:32:29,779 --> 00:32:28,950
working creatures was the one doing all

633
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,789
the work

634
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:31,679
no one doing this but they had a

635
00:32:35,810 --> 00:32:34,049
mastermind behind all this and she's

636
00:32:42,769 --> 00:32:35,820
fixing to come out of the picture here

637
00:32:45,049 --> 00:32:42,779
too many right so we all we read the

638
00:32:48,109 --> 00:32:45,059
deck of cards that went back up into the

639
00:32:50,330 --> 00:32:48,119
ceiling that cleared well I was laying

640
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:50,340
there and I just kind of glanced over

641
00:32:56,359 --> 00:32:54,809
and I noticed kind of a figure coming

642
00:32:59,810 --> 00:32:56,369
out but I couldn't really make it out

643
00:33:01,820 --> 00:32:59,820
because I still couldn't move and she

644
00:33:06,139 --> 00:33:01,830
got a little closer and I called her she

645
00:33:08,749 --> 00:33:06,149
I don't know that it was a she it was

646
00:33:12,289 --> 00:33:08,759
built smaller than the big ugly when it

647
00:33:15,619 --> 00:33:12,299
looked like a yo female to me and really

648
00:33:18,769 --> 00:33:15,629
not a bad-looking no not a bad-looking

649
00:33:21,259 --> 00:33:18,779
woman if it was it's kind of like I

650
00:33:23,330 --> 00:33:21,269
explained to somebody before if I was in

651
00:33:26,419 --> 00:33:23,340
a bar and had enough to drink I'd asked

652
00:33:28,339 --> 00:33:26,429
around on a date and you know that's how

653
00:33:31,339 --> 00:33:28,349
normal she kind of looked if you can

654
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:31,349
call that normal I've seen weirder in

655
00:33:43,940 --> 00:33:37,049
bars but uh she come out and she was

656
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:43,950
small-featured and kind of walked up to

657
00:33:50,060 --> 00:33:48,090
me and I really couldn't see enough you

658
00:33:53,710 --> 00:33:50,070
know I was trying to blow my head and

659
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:53,720
look at her and she grabbed me by the

660
00:33:59,749 --> 00:33:56,970
cheek with one of her hands and her

661
00:34:02,690 --> 00:33:59,759
hands look normal they had fingers and

662
00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:02,700
everything else and she looked kind of

663
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:09,089
normal but uh I could sense any kind of

664
00:34:15,139 --> 00:34:11,040
warmth or any kind of feeling in her

665
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:15,149
fingertips hmm so when she got through

666
00:34:21,319 --> 00:34:18,480
that she took her left hand she laid up

667
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:21,329
one of her fingers across my chin and

668
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:24,960
she pushed it down now this is when it

669
00:34:30,289 --> 00:34:28,290
got really bad for me this she run two

670
00:34:33,559 --> 00:34:30,299
of her fingers and they was a little bit

671
00:34:35,629 --> 00:34:33,569
longer than normal down my throat and

672
00:34:37,309 --> 00:34:35,639
we're trying to you know that little

673
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:37,319
thing that hangs down in the back you

674
00:34:40,940 --> 00:34:40,290
throat yep she she was trying to come up

675
00:34:44,180 --> 00:34:40,950
behind

676
00:34:46,250 --> 00:34:44,190
did into my nasal cavities I guess and I

677
00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:46,260
started choking and my nose started

678
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:49,369
bleeding but uh you know at this time

679
00:34:55,930 --> 00:34:52,050
wherever she was compassionate about it

680
00:34:58,099 --> 00:34:55,940
or not she did pull her hand out and

681
00:35:01,910 --> 00:34:58,109
give me a chance to kind of breathe

682
00:35:03,380 --> 00:35:01,920
again so I don't think intensely they

683
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:03,390
really meant to hurt me

684
00:35:09,710 --> 00:35:06,810
now later on I think they might have but

685
00:35:11,870 --> 00:35:09,720
right right at this moment she didn't

686
00:35:14,690 --> 00:35:11,880
intentionally want it was more like an

687
00:35:17,569 --> 00:35:14,700
exam and somebody said well she might

688
00:35:19,370 --> 00:35:17,579
have put an implant in well I don't want

689
00:35:23,569 --> 00:35:19,380
to speculate on all that because I don't

690
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:23,579
know for sure you know I never never got

691
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:25,770
an x-ray or nothing that showed one but

692
00:35:31,310 --> 00:35:28,560
it could have possibly been that you had

693
00:35:33,609 --> 00:35:31,320
mentioned earlier at Kelvin that you

694
00:35:37,250 --> 00:35:33,619
could you could see and you could smell

695
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:37,260
what were you smelling at this point and

696
00:35:42,859 --> 00:35:39,690
and how was your breathing was was that

697
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:42,869
okay well you know with the binders

698
00:35:47,390 --> 00:35:44,730
there you thought you know brave new and

699
00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:47,400
you don't know you don't and as far as

700
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,609
the smile now anybody's ever been to

701
00:35:55,550 --> 00:35:52,800
passport girl of Mississippi or Jackson

702
00:35:58,579 --> 00:35:55,560
County they have pokey plants and they

703
00:36:01,490 --> 00:35:58,589
cook these pogies and there's dead fish

704
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,500
up on the banks sometime and it smells

705
00:36:06,530 --> 00:36:03,839
really bad at times and that was one of

706
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,540
these nights where the humidity was low

707
00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:08,400
so you really couldn't scent to anything

708
00:36:13,730 --> 00:36:10,310
but a dead fish when you're smelling

709
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:13,740
mm-hmm and that was coming in from the

710
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:18,720
outside and I've often wondered you know

711
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:21,510
if I could have sensed anything else

712
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:24,240
course I wouldn't want decisions and I

713
00:36:29,059 --> 00:36:25,890
just want to get up and leave and I

714
00:36:32,089 --> 00:36:29,069
couldn't do it right right well when you

715
00:36:34,970 --> 00:36:32,099
looked around the room was there

716
00:36:36,349 --> 00:36:34,980
anything that stood out for you of that

717
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:36,359
you know we're their windows were their

718
00:36:40,970 --> 00:36:38,250
pictures on the wall you know what I

719
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:40,980
mean what did you see an electronic

720
00:36:47,660 --> 00:36:44,210
equipment do what what did you remember

721
00:36:49,460 --> 00:36:47,670
the only electronic equipment I remember

722
00:36:52,099 --> 00:36:49,470
seeing was that deck of cards that come

723
00:36:52,970 --> 00:36:52,109
out of the salient right now when I rode

724
00:36:57,470 --> 00:36:52,980
my head

725
00:37:00,880 --> 00:36:57,480
for she came out of it seemed like it

726
00:37:04,190 --> 00:37:00,890
could have been when desire or maybe

727
00:37:06,170 --> 00:37:04,200
something they could see through and I

728
00:37:08,540 --> 00:37:06,180
just had the feeling you know that

729
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:08,550
somebody was standing back behind I

730
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:10,410
didn't see this I couldn't tell it for

731
00:37:14,750 --> 00:37:12,930
sure but but it felt like somebody was

732
00:37:17,870 --> 00:37:14,760
sent just staring itch and you know you

733
00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:17,880
get to EBG be faithlyn some mm-hmm and

734
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:22,380
that was the feeling I had in the in the

735
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:24,810
in the room with you we have we have the

736
00:37:30,770 --> 00:37:27,690
big ugly robot guy we have her was there

737
00:37:33,980 --> 00:37:30,780
anybody else in there nobody that I

738
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:33,990
could say right or tail and I had no

739
00:37:39,130 --> 00:37:36,690
idea where that buddy of mine was I mean

740
00:37:41,870 --> 00:37:39,140
oh really he wasn't a friend of mine but

741
00:37:43,609 --> 00:37:41,880
the guy that was with me you know they

742
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:43,619
might have took him to a different place

743
00:37:49,420 --> 00:37:46,320
or something but he sure wasn't around

744
00:37:54,859 --> 00:37:49,430
and I will mean right right right and

745
00:37:57,590 --> 00:37:54,869
well before I say what happened next I

746
00:37:59,330 --> 00:37:57,600
wanted your quote you're still clothed

747
00:38:05,930 --> 00:37:59,340
you still have your clothes on

748
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:05,940
oh yes sir okay so word were you cold

749
00:38:11,570 --> 00:38:10,050
you know what was the the the

750
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:11,580
environment in there were you

751
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:14,850
uncomfortable I was all very

752
00:38:24,170 --> 00:38:20,570
uncomfortable it was all colder than Oh

753
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:24,180
an act additional blowing on it by like

754
00:38:28,580 --> 00:38:26,210
walking into a yo

755
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,590
emergency room in the hospital you know

756
00:38:32,990 --> 00:38:30,960
they keep in place is cold right right

757
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:33,000
yeah and you know you're really

758
00:38:37,609 --> 00:38:35,609
uncomfortable and chilled in there now

759
00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:37,619
and one last thing about your

760
00:38:45,230 --> 00:38:42,510
environment what what did you hear the

761
00:38:51,130 --> 00:38:45,240
clicking was the only thing I heard from

762
00:38:52,340 --> 00:38:51,140
that deal until law she made a comment

763
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:52,350
telepathy

764
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:55,680
to me and it sounded just like a normal

765
00:39:03,020 --> 00:39:00,480
voice oh and it was in redneck language

766
00:39:06,890 --> 00:39:03,030
and I'm sure that they probably studied

767
00:39:10,610 --> 00:39:06,900
Oh the language and now you

768
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:10,620
to keep it for being so well fearful

769
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:13,890
great they probably programmed her too

770
00:39:21,020 --> 00:39:17,760
well to send her thoughts in in this

771
00:39:24,430 --> 00:39:21,030
language now it was just like talking to

772
00:39:28,010 --> 00:39:24,440
her right now Calvin I have to ask you

773
00:39:30,740 --> 00:39:28,020
in redneck language these are your words

774
00:39:32,690 --> 00:39:30,750
right but right but I've been all over

775
00:39:34,910 --> 00:39:32,700
the United States I lived in Memphis

776
00:39:37,100 --> 00:39:34,920
I've been all over the south I totally

777
00:39:42,770 --> 00:39:37,110
am picking up what you're putting down

778
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:42,780
right now okay what did she say in

779
00:39:51,470 --> 00:39:48,210
redneck well she just did a plain voice

780
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:51,480
and her lips didn't move that she had

781
00:39:59,240 --> 00:39:54,090
facial features like what we do here's

782
00:40:03,860 --> 00:39:59,250
eyes nose mouth right but she said that

783
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:03,870
oh we're not going to harm you and I

784
00:40:09,260 --> 00:40:06,570
thought it's a little too late for that

785
00:40:10,010 --> 00:40:09,270
you know you know took me against my

786
00:40:13,220 --> 00:40:10,020
will

787
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:13,230
now this is me thinking back just want

788
00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:16,890
them really slammer if I could you don't

789
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:19,260
took me against my will you run a finger

790
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:21,210
that was six inches long down my throat

791
00:40:27,950 --> 00:40:24,000
you come up behind my little Google vein

792
00:40:30,650 --> 00:40:27,960
back there and I was bleeding bad my

793
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:30,660
nose was bleeding I had on a white

794
00:40:38,420 --> 00:40:34,160
t-shirt you know it was soaked in blood

795
00:40:40,610 --> 00:40:38,430
by then and you know the strange part

796
00:40:44,510 --> 00:40:40,620
about it ever since I happened I've had

797
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:44,520
frequent nosebleeds and I don't

798
00:40:49,490 --> 00:40:47,760
understand why but she communicated with

799
00:40:52,190 --> 00:40:49,500
me she said we're not gonna hurt you

800
00:40:53,420 --> 00:40:52,200
we're not gonna harm you and then I was

801
00:40:55,820 --> 00:40:53,430
getting a little restless

802
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:55,830
and she made a little grumbling from the

803
00:41:02,270 --> 00:41:00,000
bottom of her throat now somebody asked

804
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:02,280
me to describe at the closest way I

805
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:06,000
could describe it and y'all a lot of

806
00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:07,920
people probably won't know what this is

807
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:11,250
but alligator started a mating call and

808
00:41:16,940 --> 00:41:14,730
it goes out it's just a lone root like

809
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:16,950
that and then you can hear it for miles

810
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:20,330
and it's kind of like that

811
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:24,170
if she did that and though this big ugly

812
00:41:28,300 --> 00:41:25,850
thing that was sitting in the corner he

813
00:41:30,310 --> 00:41:28,310
just popped up and come alive and he

814
00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:30,320
come over there and they reached and

815
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:33,710
grabbed me by the arm again and I felt

816
00:41:40,090 --> 00:41:37,970
another injection well after that little

817
00:41:44,050 --> 00:41:40,100
injection there I just really didn't

818
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:44,060
care what went on not too much but you

819
00:41:55,410 --> 00:41:46,640
know I can still see I had my senses my

820
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:55,420
eyes hearing taste I had all this and I

821
00:42:03,550 --> 00:42:00,800
thought and now I thought us had a

822
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:03,560
little sense of smell of ammonia but I'm

823
00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:06,050
not for sure about that it might have

824
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:07,910
been just something that I thought that

825
00:42:15,570 --> 00:42:11,210
I dreamed up mm-hmm and I try to stay as

826
00:42:18,850 --> 00:42:15,580
accurate as I can well no I'm doing this

827
00:42:23,230 --> 00:42:18,860
if this thing put another injection on

828
00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:23,240
me and she kind of backed up against the

829
00:42:29,770 --> 00:42:25,730
wall then or just backed up a little bit

830
00:42:34,690 --> 00:42:29,780
and he snatched me up off that table and

831
00:42:37,180 --> 00:42:34,700
went to the door and floated floated me

832
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:37,190
back out to where he had picked me up on

833
00:42:42,430 --> 00:42:40,400
the riverbank and set me down my arms

834
00:42:45,460 --> 00:42:42,440
was outstretched in about the same place

835
00:42:49,530 --> 00:42:45,470
I was facing the river of my arms

836
00:42:52,450 --> 00:42:49,540
outstretched and this is when I heard Oh

837
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:52,460
Charlie said Calvin Calvin you okay son

838
00:42:59,230 --> 00:42:56,960
I thought well no I'm not okay you know

839
00:43:01,390 --> 00:42:59,240
mmm and we turned around about the same

840
00:43:03,250 --> 00:43:01,400
time and looked I turned around Charlie

841
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:03,260
was getting up off the ground he was at

842
00:43:11,530 --> 00:43:07,490
the Ola Graham then we looked and this

843
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:11,540
thing the lights just kinda went off and

844
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:14,330
I heard just a little bit of a zipping

845
00:43:20,350 --> 00:43:17,210
noise I like that and it wasn't real

846
00:43:22,210 --> 00:43:20,360
loud and harsh and it just took up and

847
00:43:26,140 --> 00:43:22,220
more or less disappeared into the sky

848
00:43:28,990 --> 00:43:26,150
that's how fast it was now this is just

849
00:43:29,260 --> 00:43:29,000
when the story starts I know I know I

850
00:43:33,130 --> 00:43:29,270
know

851
00:43:36,730 --> 00:43:33,140
and how much time do

852
00:43:39,339 --> 00:43:36,740
you think actually went by from when you

853
00:43:42,970 --> 00:43:39,349
were casting out when he saw the blue

854
00:43:44,859 --> 00:43:42,980
light on the water to you seeing Charles

855
00:43:50,380 --> 00:43:44,869
again lying down on the ground how much

856
00:43:52,410 --> 00:43:50,390
time went by I'm saying probably about

857
00:43:55,809 --> 00:43:52,420
four hours whoa

858
00:44:00,210 --> 00:43:55,819
well because we got there about 6:30

859
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:00,220
right we got to the Shelf Department

860
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:02,930
about 11:00 so no it wouldn't have quite

861
00:44:08,140 --> 00:44:05,359
been four hours they would get a surf

862
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:08,150
department an hour so do will get us

863
00:44:18,549 --> 00:44:12,730
probably three hours right right now

864
00:44:21,220 --> 00:44:18,559
before we move on when when this did you

865
00:44:24,460 --> 00:44:21,230
get a good look at the ship the second

866
00:44:28,660 --> 00:44:24,470
time how did would you got a better look

867
00:44:30,910 --> 00:44:28,670
at it because it the lights went off and

868
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:30,920
you can more or less see the outline

869
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:33,890
shape of it right and like I say it was

870
00:44:41,230 --> 00:44:36,490
a fool it was a harvest moon that night

871
00:44:43,450 --> 00:44:41,240
so it was a good full moon and I can

872
00:44:46,299 --> 00:44:43,460
make it out the shape of it

873
00:44:49,210 --> 00:44:46,309
not so much of color but the shape and

874
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:49,220
it was shaped like a football to me mmm

875
00:44:54,819 --> 00:44:52,490
a hundred-foot football that's about

876
00:45:00,690 --> 00:44:54,829
what it is you know you just want to go

877
00:45:04,180 --> 00:45:00,700
kick it after that right no kidding

878
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:04,190
when you said it was just like gone you

879
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:06,319
know just like that are we talking about

880
00:45:12,430 --> 00:45:08,960
a second two seconds three seconds and

881
00:45:13,839 --> 00:45:12,440
that was it I would say four or five

882
00:45:17,259 --> 00:45:13,849
seconds at the most

883
00:45:20,140 --> 00:45:17,269
right brain when they got up when it got

884
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:20,150
up in the air about 50 foot it was just

885
00:45:25,569 --> 00:45:22,130
like a streak of Lightning coming down

886
00:45:29,259 --> 00:45:25,579
right and you can kind of see all the

887
00:45:31,539 --> 00:45:29,269
glow of it leaving you know and a lot of

888
00:45:33,849 --> 00:45:31,549
people witnessed it leaving and that's

889
00:45:37,450 --> 00:45:33,859
where this new book comes in on all that

890
00:45:39,490 --> 00:45:37,460
yeah yeah and and so many people have

891
00:45:43,630 --> 00:45:39,500
come forward well we'll get into that in

892
00:45:45,690 --> 00:45:43,640
just a bit which is absolutely some of

893
00:45:48,329 --> 00:45:45,700
the most fascinating parts of

894
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:48,339
all of this and like you said this is

895
00:45:54,599 --> 00:45:49,450
just getting started

896
00:45:57,059 --> 00:45:54,609
right oh yes sir so okay now this is

897
00:46:00,450 --> 00:45:57,069
just me and you I'm asking the dumbest

898
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:00,460
question ever right now you turn to

899
00:46:07,220 --> 00:46:03,970
Calvin or you turn to Charles what rocks

900
00:46:10,770 --> 00:46:07,230
you say I mean What did he say to you

901
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:10,780
Charlie said well we need to well call

902
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:13,359
somebody and tell them I said I don't

903
00:46:20,220 --> 00:46:17,530
know no we don't call nobody this didn't

904
00:46:20,730 --> 00:46:20,230
happen I didn't say nothin Charlie did

905
00:46:24,660 --> 00:46:20,740
you

906
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:24,670
he said we got to call somebody and tell

907
00:46:32,220 --> 00:46:29,920
him I said no huh no we're gonna get up

908
00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:32,230
in the morning to go to work and I

909
00:46:37,410 --> 00:46:34,710
thought being him it came to that old

910
00:46:41,220 --> 00:46:37,420
conclusion that we just wasn't gonna

911
00:46:43,650 --> 00:46:41,230
tell nobody we was gonna getting up the

912
00:46:46,460 --> 00:46:43,660
next morning and go to work but he had a

913
00:46:49,260 --> 00:46:46,470
different outlook on things than I did

914
00:46:51,539 --> 00:46:49,270
so we sit there and talk just a few

915
00:46:54,359 --> 00:46:51,549
minutes not about what happened we were

916
00:46:56,339 --> 00:46:54,369
just kind of in a daze we started

917
00:46:59,970 --> 00:46:56,349
working away back to the car

918
00:47:03,870 --> 00:46:59,980
now keep in mind I had a brand new car

919
00:47:06,780 --> 00:47:03,880
in 1973 RAM real horny less than five or

920
00:47:09,539 --> 00:47:06,790
ten thousand miles only I had a 73

921
00:47:12,510 --> 00:47:09,549
Rambler hornet oh I loved that little

922
00:47:14,849 --> 00:47:12,520
car loved that car loved that car it was

923
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:14,859
pretty fast too mine had a straight-6 in

924
00:47:20,420 --> 00:47:18,640
it that's what this one had any and it

925
00:47:23,250 --> 00:47:20,430
got good gas mileage

926
00:47:25,620 --> 00:47:23,260
you know I enjoyed riding around it

927
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:25,630
first new car I ever had and it would go

928
00:47:30,900 --> 00:47:28,000
to that little Street six would go

929
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:30,910
it's a scat little scat little scatter

930
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:33,490
you know they made race cars out of them

931
00:47:38,730 --> 00:47:35,290
know was if I was there I would have

932
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:38,740
souped up his horn it's a race car out

933
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:39,250
of them

934
00:47:44,730 --> 00:47:41,890
I miss my Hornet man I really do I drove

935
00:47:48,569 --> 00:47:44,740
the life out of that car okay so you

936
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:48,579
guys make it back to your car and at

937
00:47:53,940 --> 00:47:51,490
that point I know you said that you

938
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:53,950
haven't really discussed what happened

939
00:48:01,490 --> 00:47:58,170
but certainly do you remember

940
00:48:05,210 --> 00:48:01,500
everything oh yeah and and the same

941
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:05,220
thing for for Charles right oh yeah he

942
00:48:10,550 --> 00:48:07,200
must have cuz he talked about it he

943
00:48:13,580 --> 00:48:10,560
certainly did yeah I mean Charlie he

944
00:48:17,330 --> 00:48:13,590
went national with everything well we

945
00:48:19,130 --> 00:48:17,340
got to the car of course we didn't have

946
00:48:21,830 --> 00:48:19,140
it long Oh

947
00:48:24,650 --> 00:48:21,840
I walked over to the driver's side and

948
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:24,660
he was on the passenger side and I

949
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,570
noticed the window looked different but

950
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:29,760
it was shattered in place the two

951
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:33,330
passenger side windows was led up and I

952
00:48:38,570 --> 00:48:36,930
was shattered in place and then when he

953
00:48:42,290 --> 00:48:38,580
opened the door that's when the glass

954
00:48:44,030 --> 00:48:42,300
just fell out dying somebody how come it

955
00:48:46,970 --> 00:48:44,040
to shatter like that and I said well a

956
00:48:49,490 --> 00:48:46,980
safety glass and they put that in there

957
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:49,500
where it won't all fracture and come in

958
00:48:55,970 --> 00:48:52,290
to you and it just shatters and it's

959
00:48:58,010 --> 00:48:55,980
plastic you know that's what it was but

960
00:49:01,640 --> 00:48:58,020
when he opened the door the glass fell

961
00:49:03,890 --> 00:49:01,650
out we got in the car and I tried to

962
00:49:07,610 --> 00:49:03,900
crank it I must have wound up on that

963
00:49:10,070 --> 00:49:07,620
thing for 15 minutes and I kept thinking

964
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:10,080
the battery would go dead but the

965
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:12,890
battery never went dead or nothing and

966
00:49:18,380 --> 00:49:15,650
eventually it cranked up a little bit

967
00:49:19,970 --> 00:49:18,390
but it run a little rough like it was

968
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:19,980
kind of missing over a couple of

969
00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:23,040
cylinders mm-hmm but I was ready to get

970
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:25,110
out I didn't care if it was missing or

971
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:27,570
not I was fixing us take off and go

972
00:49:34,190 --> 00:49:31,770
anyhow so we got it busted off and

973
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:34,200
headed back to his apartment and there

974
00:49:40,430 --> 00:49:38,640
was a store there now after 6 o'clock in

975
00:49:43,700 --> 00:49:40,440
the state of Mississippi back then and

976
00:49:47,540 --> 00:49:43,710
they had the blue laws so the stores

977
00:49:50,810 --> 00:49:47,550
were pretty much shut down after about 6

978
00:49:55,700 --> 00:49:50,820
and you couldn't get in and no too much

979
00:49:57,860 --> 00:49:55,710
get anything but we had good phones

980
00:49:59,810 --> 00:49:57,870
because they had payphones that hung on

981
00:50:02,210 --> 00:49:59,820
the wall it's not like it is these days

982
00:50:02,830 --> 00:50:02,220
well you got everybody's got a cell

983
00:50:10,610 --> 00:50:02,840
phone

984
00:50:12,100 --> 00:50:10,620
nickel and a dime or a dime so well he

985
00:50:16,300 --> 00:50:12,110
said pull over here

986
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:16,310
I need to use the phone now in my mind I

987
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:18,290
thought he was gonna call his wife and

988
00:50:22,900 --> 00:50:20,930
tell her we'd be home in just a little

989
00:50:26,460 --> 00:50:22,910
bit because she was expecting us a

990
00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:26,470
little earlier to come home and he ate

991
00:50:32,650 --> 00:50:30,800
well neither one of us had any changed

992
00:50:35,950 --> 00:50:32,660
and I remember digging under the seat

993
00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:35,960
and we eventually found some change it

994
00:50:40,210 --> 00:50:37,730
fell out of the people's pockets you

995
00:50:42,130 --> 00:50:40,220
know when they said now mm-hmm and he

996
00:50:46,030 --> 00:50:42,140
got that and he went to the phone I

997
00:50:47,830 --> 00:50:46,040
heard him talking and he come back to

998
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:47,840
the car he said well I said call the

999
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:51,650
local law enforcement local world chef

1000
00:50:57,010 --> 00:50:54,170
Department or something so who said that

1001
00:51:00,730 --> 00:50:57,020
Charlie he said I was Keesler Air Force

1002
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:00,740
Base out of Biloxi Mississippi and they

1003
00:51:06,310 --> 00:51:03,680
said they didn't deal with his UFOs or

1004
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:06,320
nothing anymore to call the local law

1005
00:51:11,140 --> 00:51:07,210
enforcement

1006
00:51:13,630 --> 00:51:11,150
he said I made another dime and I was

1007
00:51:15,580 --> 00:51:13,640
thinking you know they gonna come thinks

1008
00:51:18,580 --> 00:51:15,590
he's a idiot and throw him in jail this

1009
00:51:19,630 --> 00:51:18,590
in the back of my mind that's what they

1010
00:51:22,450 --> 00:51:19,640
was gonna think

1011
00:51:25,330 --> 00:51:22,460
so he went he called the Jackson County

1012
00:51:27,940 --> 00:51:25,340
Sheriff's Department and they said look

1013
00:51:31,260 --> 00:51:27,950
fellers y'all just stay right there will

1014
00:51:34,020 --> 00:51:31,270
y'all we got a patrol car and headed out

1015
00:51:38,350 --> 00:51:34,030
Co in just a minute

1016
00:51:41,140 --> 00:51:38,360
well I didn't I didn't leave that your

1017
00:51:43,330 --> 00:51:41,150
Charlie told me what they said but in

1018
00:51:46,090 --> 00:51:43,340
the back of my mind the reason they said

1019
00:51:48,670 --> 00:51:46,100
for Sustaita I know they thought we was

1020
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:48,680
probably drunk or drinking and they

1021
00:51:55,150 --> 00:51:52,210
didn't want us on the road so they all

1022
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:55,160
it was just a few minutes and a patrol

1023
00:51:58,620 --> 00:51:57,440
car pulled up to where we was parked at

1024
00:52:02,320 --> 00:51:58,630
the store

1025
00:52:04,030 --> 00:52:02,330
well they got out of the car now they

1026
00:52:06,070 --> 00:52:04,040
didn't go over there on his side of the

1027
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:06,080
car mess with him I was the one driving

1028
00:52:12,490 --> 00:52:09,170
right walked over and asked me to see my

1029
00:52:15,970 --> 00:52:12,500
driver's license I said well you know I

1030
00:52:19,180 --> 00:52:15,980
got him but I don't know him well we did

1031
00:52:21,550 --> 00:52:19,190
see him Friday you know and he said if

1032
00:52:25,300 --> 00:52:21,560
you would step out of the car so I

1033
00:52:28,780 --> 00:52:25,310
stepped out of the car he said now look

1034
00:52:31,390 --> 00:52:28,790
follow this light forward with your eyes

1035
00:52:34,210 --> 00:52:31,400
no I kind of followed it there a little

1036
00:52:38,830 --> 00:52:34,220
bit played along with you and said now

1037
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:38,840
what I want you to do stand on one leg I

1038
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:41,410
want you to bend your head back close

1039
00:52:48,490 --> 00:52:45,680
your eyes touch your nose jump up and

1040
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:48,500
down on your left foot and it count from

1041
00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:50,930
100 backwards I said man I can't do that

1042
00:52:56,380 --> 00:52:53,110
sober much less have I've been drinking

1043
00:52:59,970 --> 00:52:56,390
he said that's the point we want you to

1044
00:53:02,500 --> 00:52:59,980
see so I did all of his little sobriety

1045
00:53:06,070 --> 00:53:02,510
checklist things that they normally do I

1046
00:53:11,140 --> 00:53:06,080
guess and he said follow us to the

1047
00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:11,150
chef's department you can drive and my

1048
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:14,960
intentions were to do that so we did we

1049
00:53:19,780 --> 00:53:17,810
followed them well when we got to the

1050
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:19,790
Shelf Department they took Charlie into

1051
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:23,090
one room and took me into another room

1052
00:53:28,660 --> 00:53:26,090
and I guess they interrogated us both

1053
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:28,670
and they asked me what had happened I

1054
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:30,890
said I don't know what y'all talking

1055
00:53:37,810 --> 00:53:34,210
about what had happened he said well

1056
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:37,820
your friend told us that Joe got

1057
00:53:45,460 --> 00:53:42,800
abducted by some I said I y'all can't

1058
00:53:48,430 --> 00:53:45,470
pay no attention to him so I don't know

1059
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:48,440
what happened just let me go home that's

1060
00:53:54,660 --> 00:53:50,960
what I wanted to do but little did I

1061
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:54,670
know them they had another little

1062
00:53:59,200 --> 00:53:56,960
interrogation room and they slipped it

1063
00:54:02,860 --> 00:53:59,210
on he put a tape recorder into this room

1064
00:54:05,020 --> 00:54:02,870
and they brought me out and they brought

1065
00:54:06,490 --> 00:54:05,030
him out and they put us in the same room

1066
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:06,500
together so they could take her

1067
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:10,130
conversation and that's not knowing well

1068
00:54:14,410 --> 00:54:12,050
where I messed up if we're the world

1069
00:54:18,100 --> 00:54:14,420
found out about this I talked to Charlie

1070
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:18,110
about a little bit then you know you

1071
00:54:22,450 --> 00:54:20,480
could hear me on the tape and I just

1072
00:54:25,780 --> 00:54:22,460
heard the tape last year for the first

1073
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:25,790
time but uh you could hear us talking a

1074
00:54:33,580 --> 00:54:28,970
little bit on it and they kind of pray

1075
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:33,590
in lieu and they come in the room they

1076
00:54:38,030 --> 00:54:35,570
got to take me quarter and by that time

1077
00:54:40,370 --> 00:54:38,040
the sheriff was there that

1078
00:54:43,310 --> 00:54:40,380
this was a big deal to rednecks getting

1079
00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:43,320
abducted by a UFO by labor so yeah the

1080
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:45,960
serfs don't come so he can get his last

1081
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:51,410
two but he listened to that tape and I

1082
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:53,760
couldn't hear the tape that I could see

1083
00:54:58,100 --> 00:54:56,370
him listening to it then well let's take

1084
00:55:00,680 --> 00:54:58,110
a break right here I got to take my

1085
00:55:03,170 --> 00:55:00,690
break Calvin perfect about to do it and

1086
00:55:04,670 --> 00:55:03,180
we'll just pick up right where we're

1087
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:04,680
leaving off right now our guest tonight

1088
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:05,970
it's Calvin Parker

1089
00:55:11,410 --> 00:55:08,490
this is fade to black we're talking

1090
00:55:14,570 --> 00:55:11,420
about the Pascagoula incident

1091
00:55:17,090 --> 00:55:14,580
unbelievable unbelievabl Calvin this is

1092
00:55:19,310 --> 00:55:17,100
a just an amazing amazing event tonight

1093
00:55:24,060 --> 00:55:19,320
on the show we'll pick up or relieve it

1094
00:56:02,370 --> 00:55:59,170
[Music]

1095
00:56:07,060 --> 00:56:04,540
welcome back fade to black I'm real

1096
00:56:09,300 --> 00:56:07,070
Jimmy Church and follow me on Twitter at

1097
00:56:12,940 --> 00:56:09,310
J Turks radio TweetDeck is down tonight

1098
00:56:15,780 --> 00:56:12,950
but I'm kind of trying to stay up on

1099
00:56:19,090 --> 00:56:15,790
Twitter I know you guys are going crazy

1100
00:56:20,859 --> 00:56:19,100
but I don't have tweet deck and our

1101
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:20,869
guest tonight is Calvin Parker talking

1102
00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:23,210
about the Pascagoula incident that

1103
00:56:30,850 --> 00:56:25,730
happened back in 1973 with Charles

1104
00:56:32,890 --> 00:56:30,860
Hickson and you guys are now at the

1105
00:56:36,730 --> 00:56:32,900
Sheriff's Department Jackson County

1106
00:56:41,230 --> 00:56:36,740
right right and now the sheriff comes in

1107
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:41,240
and they taped you and Charles talking

1108
00:56:47,770 --> 00:56:45,770
and you guys were separated up until

1109
00:56:49,090 --> 00:56:47,780
this point but they they happen to get

1110
00:56:51,340 --> 00:56:49,100
you guys in a room they run a tape

1111
00:56:54,460 --> 00:56:51,350
recorder you guys are talking about what

1112
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:54,470
had happened and now the sheriff has

1113
00:56:59,650 --> 00:56:56,930
listened to this tape he walks in the

1114
00:57:03,100 --> 00:56:59,660
room right have I have I got everything

1115
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:03,110
kind of in line you got it exactly right

1116
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:06,650
now this sheriff was all known to be a

1117
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:09,010
hard-nosed Sheriff I mean he was

1118
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:12,170
strictly by the book and he didn't play

1119
00:57:18,340 --> 00:57:15,770
around any but I seen a soft spot in him

1120
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:18,350
that night because he actually walked

1121
00:57:23,980 --> 00:57:21,050
over and just kind of put his hand on my

1122
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:23,990
shoulder and looked like he felt really

1123
00:57:31,210 --> 00:57:27,170
sorry for me I guess I was 18 years old

1124
00:57:34,270 --> 00:57:31,220
and upset and just wanting to get out

1125
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:34,280
and go home let me let me jump in Calvin

1126
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:38,210
I wanted to ask you about the you know

1127
00:57:42,430 --> 00:57:40,400
the now famous photograph of you and

1128
00:57:43,690 --> 00:57:42,440
Charles and you guys are sitting next to

1129
00:57:45,849 --> 00:57:43,700
each other

1130
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:45,859
the black-and-white photograph that you

1131
00:57:51,580 --> 00:57:48,530
know went out across the media

1132
00:57:54,900 --> 00:57:51,590
Charles is one thing but your face in

1133
00:57:59,680 --> 00:57:54,910
that picture you were not happy were you

1134
00:58:03,540 --> 00:57:59,690
no I sure wasn't number one I don't I

1135
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:03,550
didn't like all the attention number two

1136
00:58:08,890 --> 00:58:06,890
that was a as far as I was concerned a

1137
00:58:11,650 --> 00:58:08,900
crime that was committed against us

1138
00:58:14,859 --> 00:58:11,660
right I was like a home-invasion except

1139
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:14,869
it was a evasion off the fishing bank

1140
00:58:18,700 --> 00:58:17,210
I've explained it like if you're sitting

1141
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:18,710
in your living room watch the TV

1142
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:21,410
somebody kicked the door down come in

1143
00:58:27,579 --> 00:58:24,160
and get you and takes you to a band and

1144
00:58:29,589 --> 00:58:27,589
examines you and throws yet I mean

1145
00:58:30,609 --> 00:58:29,599
they'd go to jail if I could find them

1146
00:58:34,509 --> 00:58:30,619
that's right

1147
00:58:36,099 --> 00:58:34,519
but uh the one thing I got against the

1148
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:36,109
law they don't know how to treat

1149
00:58:41,079 --> 00:58:39,170
something like this the same when this

1150
00:58:42,609 --> 00:58:41,089
happens should have been taped off and

1151
00:58:45,489 --> 00:58:42,619
they already had somebody out there

1152
00:58:50,469 --> 00:58:45,499
until they could have gotten all experts

1153
00:58:52,509 --> 00:58:50,479
out to look at the crime scene so and

1154
00:58:55,019 --> 00:58:52,519
you know I think all that's changing

1155
00:58:58,420 --> 00:58:55,029
there where they do right right right

1156
00:59:03,910 --> 00:58:58,430
but incredible incredible okay so the

1157
00:59:06,430 --> 00:59:03,920
sheriff feels you know a little bit of

1158
00:59:08,940 --> 00:59:06,440
empathy for you at this moment what

1159
00:59:13,420 --> 00:59:08,950
happens yeah what happens next

1160
00:59:15,849 --> 00:59:13,430
ways and look ya'll was y'all going back

1161
00:59:16,450 --> 00:59:15,859
home get some rest and I'll see y'all

1162
00:59:19,690 --> 00:59:16,460
tomorrow

1163
00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:19,700
I thought oh Lord we're gonna go through

1164
00:59:25,839 --> 00:59:22,160
this again the mall but we went out got

1165
00:59:29,079 --> 00:59:25,849
in the car and we drove home endo went

1166
00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:29,089
in the house and of course his wife was

1167
00:59:33,549 --> 00:59:30,529
sitting there and offered me something

1168
00:59:35,979 --> 00:59:33,559
need I said I don't believe you no I'm

1169
00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:35,989
too hungry I think I'm gonna go to bed I

1170
00:59:41,650 --> 00:59:38,960
didn't say a word what was happening so

1171
00:59:43,509 --> 00:59:41,660
when I got into the room that I was

1172
00:59:46,660 --> 00:59:43,519
written from and there was a bathroom in

1173
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:46,670
that room and there was a gallon of

1174
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:50,930
bleach sitting on the bathtub and I

1175
00:59:56,349 --> 00:59:53,930
remember as a child my mother would wash

1176
00:59:59,049 --> 00:59:56,359
us in Bleach if we gotten poison ivy or

1177
01:00:01,509 --> 00:59:59,059
something mm-hmm and that same that

1178
01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:01,519
black girl used to cure everything you

1179
01:00:06,099 --> 01:00:02,089
had

1180
01:00:09,849 --> 01:00:06,109
so well I got in the shower and I took

1181
01:00:11,499 --> 01:00:09,859
all my clothes off my shoes and climbed

1182
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:11,509
in the shot and I poured this bleach

1183
01:00:18,839 --> 01:00:14,210
over the top of my head just rubbed it

1184
01:00:21,759 --> 01:00:18,849
in then I washed it off cuz in my mind I

1185
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:21,769
was still thinking about these Apollo

1186
01:00:27,549 --> 01:00:24,799
POW that Apollo mission where they

1187
01:00:28,130 --> 01:00:27,559
quarantined the whole crew for seven

1188
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:28,140
days

1189
01:00:33,890 --> 01:00:30,690
so and I didn't want to give nobody

1190
01:00:36,980 --> 01:00:33,900
nothing I didn't want to share whatever

1191
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:36,990
they might have done to me with him so

1192
01:00:42,050 --> 01:00:38,880
then when I got out of the shower shower

1193
01:00:45,380 --> 01:00:42,060
we had paper bags back in and not

1194
01:00:47,780 --> 01:00:45,390
plastic ones I went got a paper bag and

1195
01:00:50,450 --> 01:00:47,790
I put all my clothes and there even my

1196
01:00:54,410 --> 01:00:50,460
shoes that everything in there and I

1197
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:54,420
carried them to the dumpster outside and

1198
01:01:00,050 --> 01:00:56,880
I throw them in that dumpster well I

1199
01:01:02,660 --> 01:01:00,060
went back in and laid down and thought I

1200
01:01:05,060 --> 01:01:02,670
was gonna try to sleep some but I

1201
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:05,070
couldn't sleep you know I was just keyed

1202
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:08,130
up from wanting to happen trying to

1203
01:01:14,540 --> 01:01:11,610
figure out what did happen and because

1204
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:14,550
that the moment you know somebody told

1205
01:01:19,550 --> 01:01:17,370
me aliens come down and dust me I would

1206
01:01:21,290 --> 01:01:19,560
I would have laughed at them you know I

1207
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:21,300
wouldn't tell them now that that ain't

1208
01:01:29,780 --> 01:01:25,770
what happened but you know something did

1209
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:29,790
happen and we got up the next morning

1210
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:35,280
early and then Charlie left going to

1211
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:37,680
work with old car was still running a

1212
01:01:42,530 --> 01:01:39,210
little bit rough you know because I

1213
01:01:46,010 --> 01:01:42,540
hadn't fixed it from that night and we

1214
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:46,020
got to the shipyard not take it for

1215
01:01:51,620 --> 01:01:48,720
granted this is just my second day there

1216
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:51,630
so I don't I didn't have no idea how

1217
01:01:56,780 --> 01:01:53,610
many cars was supposed to be at the

1218
01:01:59,060 --> 01:01:56,790
shipyard but it was hunters and the

1219
01:02:01,790 --> 01:01:59,070
roads was even blocked going into this

1220
01:02:04,940 --> 01:02:01,800
place and I thought dang they got a lot

1221
01:02:07,970 --> 01:02:04,950
of people working here right what we got

1222
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:07,980
out and brass tin went to old

1223
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:10,530
workstations and then we heard her names

1224
01:02:17,900 --> 01:02:12,690
called on the intercom to come to the

1225
01:02:20,980 --> 01:02:17,910
office well of course I didn't know what

1226
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:20,990
was going on but we did we went to vo

1227
01:02:27,110 --> 01:02:23,850
walked up went into the office and the

1228
01:02:31,700 --> 01:02:27,120
owner of the shipyard was there he said

1229
01:02:34,130 --> 01:02:31,710
y'all had to do something I said I was

1230
01:02:36,500 --> 01:02:34,140
trying to work what in the world you

1231
01:02:40,220 --> 01:02:36,510
want us to do he said y'all got to do a

1232
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:40,230
press release because we can't use our

1233
01:02:46,610 --> 01:02:42,240
phones we can't conduct me

1234
01:02:49,070 --> 01:02:46,620
they've got my business shut down I said

1235
01:02:52,220 --> 01:02:49,080
that who is they he said to press from

1236
01:02:54,530 --> 01:02:52,230
whatever happened to y'all I have an

1237
01:02:57,590 --> 01:02:54,540
attorney it's what he said for the

1238
01:03:00,500 --> 01:02:57,600
shipyard I'm calling him right now I

1239
01:03:03,710 --> 01:03:00,510
want y'all to sit down and talk to him

1240
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:03,720
we'll work up a press release and give

1241
01:03:07,790 --> 01:03:06,000
it to this guy and he's gonna give a

1242
01:03:12,020 --> 01:03:07,800
press release and get these people off

1243
01:03:16,940 --> 01:03:12,030
our back so he called his attorney in

1244
01:03:19,310 --> 01:03:16,950
and Charlie talk to him I still will

1245
01:03:21,470 --> 01:03:19,320
stay with my story I didn't say nothing

1246
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:21,480
right right you know I figured if

1247
01:03:24,650 --> 01:03:23,010
everybody was gonna be an idiot that's

1248
01:03:30,740 --> 01:03:24,660
gonna make Charlie look like I did

1249
01:03:33,050 --> 01:03:30,750
mmm-hmm so uh any how they worked up a

1250
01:03:37,390 --> 01:03:33,060
press release well about that time the

1251
01:03:42,350 --> 01:03:37,400
sheriff showed up he said look guys I

1252
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:42,360
got thinking about what you said and I

1253
01:03:48,110 --> 01:03:44,730
must have said this in this tape I was

1254
01:03:49,850 --> 01:03:48,120
concerned about when I was talking to

1255
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:49,860
Charlie under this tape

1256
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:52,410
you know I was kind of concerned about

1257
01:03:59,210 --> 01:03:56,850
everybody getting bacterial infection

1258
01:04:01,340 --> 01:03:59,220
you know he said I think we need to take

1259
01:04:04,220 --> 01:04:01,350
out to the emergency room get you

1260
01:04:05,140 --> 01:04:04,230
examined I'll get you a clean bill of

1261
01:04:08,540 --> 01:04:05,150
health

1262
01:04:11,870 --> 01:04:08,550
well we've loaded up with a sheriff you

1263
01:04:14,350 --> 01:04:11,880
know one of his deputies they drove was

1264
01:04:18,620 --> 01:04:14,360
to the Jackson County Oh

1265
01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:18,630
Sandeen River Hospital and I won't never

1266
01:04:23,090 --> 01:04:20,640
forget that day because actually I was

1267
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:23,100
glad to be in a hospital for a little

1268
01:04:31,100 --> 01:04:27,450
bit and dr. Bosco was the doctor to come

1269
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:31,110
out he examined our arms where these

1270
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:34,530
puncher wounds was he did blood work he

1271
01:04:40,370 --> 01:04:38,490
did all I guess forensic stuff scraped

1272
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:40,380
their skin and things like that

1273
01:04:46,850 --> 01:04:43,530
they said y'all safe to go it's a

1274
01:04:50,180 --> 01:04:46,860
younger one we walk back out and got

1275
01:04:51,830 --> 01:04:50,190
into the car and he said now we're going

1276
01:04:55,070 --> 01:04:51,840
to kiss or two just y'all check for

1277
01:04:55,370 --> 01:04:55,080
radiation Keesler Air Force bases and

1278
01:04:58,099 --> 01:04:55,380
below

1279
01:05:01,370 --> 01:04:58,109
to Mississippi and that was the only

1280
01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:01,380
place I guess they could check us so

1281
01:05:09,289 --> 01:05:06,000
wolde we we was driving it's about 30

1282
01:05:11,450 --> 01:05:09,299
minutes from all the world this car

1283
01:05:12,910 --> 01:05:11,460
turned on the blue lights and buddy he

1284
01:05:16,249 --> 01:05:12,920
was going hmm

1285
01:05:19,759 --> 01:05:16,259
and I had him kind of worried and I said

1286
01:05:21,319 --> 01:05:19,769
you know my father used to work when I

1287
01:05:24,529 --> 01:05:21,329
found out was going to get checked for

1288
01:05:26,809 --> 01:05:24,539
radiation endo I said my father work for

1289
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:26,819
the Atomic Energy Commission out at

1290
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:27,450
Groom Lake

1291
01:05:34,249 --> 01:05:30,690
that's area 51 they exploded these

1292
01:05:37,130 --> 01:05:34,259
nuclear bombs underground and I remember

1293
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:37,140
him having to wear a badge and they

1294
01:05:43,759 --> 01:05:39,210
would come in our house every night and

1295
01:05:45,980 --> 01:05:43,769
check us also as as a kid for radiation

1296
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:45,990
I said you know that's some bad stuff

1297
01:05:48,620 --> 01:05:47,970
it'd probably kill everybody around it

1298
01:05:50,900 --> 01:05:48,630
immensely

1299
01:05:54,710 --> 01:05:50,910
well that just kind of scared that

1300
01:05:58,339 --> 01:05:54,720
deputy and he zoomed oh man right right

1301
01:06:00,140 --> 01:05:58,349
was that Calvin let me stop you right

1302
01:06:02,779 --> 01:06:00,150
there for a second when you when you

1303
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:02,789
first got to the shipyard you said that

1304
01:06:06,829 --> 01:06:04,410
there was a whole lot of cut was that

1305
01:06:09,499 --> 01:06:06,839
the press was that what was at the

1306
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:09,509
shipyard was that action you know from

1307
01:06:15,230 --> 01:06:12,089
the press and the media that was the

1308
01:06:16,279 --> 01:06:15,240
preyas and I've never seen something go

1309
01:06:18,049 --> 01:06:16,289
out that fast

1310
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:18,059
Wow now I don't know how they got the

1311
01:06:24,589 --> 01:06:21,690
story melted yeah who leaked it well I

1312
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:24,599
eventually figured it out later on the

1313
01:06:28,730 --> 01:06:26,400
sheriff said he didn't tell nobody

1314
01:06:31,339 --> 01:06:28,740
and for years I thought Charlie didn't I

1315
01:06:35,059 --> 01:06:31,349
wouldn't he talked to Charlie after this

1316
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:35,069
bud back in the seventies everybody was

1317
01:06:40,130 --> 01:06:38,130
nosy and they had these scanners will

1318
01:06:43,220 --> 01:06:40,140
handheld scanners they'd carry around

1319
01:06:45,380 --> 01:06:43,230
and then monitor the police department

1320
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:45,390
and then monitor fire department in the

1321
01:06:50,269 --> 01:06:48,240
ambulances because I just pure dozy and

1322
01:06:52,460 --> 01:06:50,279
I'm sure that one day Oh shucks

1323
01:06:54,289 --> 01:06:52,470
Department called that in somebody

1324
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:54,299
probably picked it up on one of those

1325
01:07:00,349 --> 01:06:56,730
scanners so you'd think that over the

1326
01:07:04,670 --> 01:07:00,359
scanners somebody said alien abduction

1327
01:07:08,299 --> 01:07:04,680
at Shaw's shipyard yes sir that's what I

1328
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:08,309
think happened and when they did they

1329
01:07:11,340 --> 01:07:09,370
got

1330
01:07:14,730 --> 01:07:11,350
and you know how the prayer see as they

1331
01:07:17,250 --> 01:07:14,740
like magnets to a piece of metal when

1332
01:07:22,170 --> 01:07:17,260
you when one of them gets on something

1333
01:07:24,210 --> 01:07:22,180
they y'all on it and and I just figured

1334
01:07:25,980 --> 01:07:24,220
that that's what happened now I don't

1335
01:07:29,340 --> 01:07:25,990
know for sure that's the way I got laid

1336
01:07:32,310 --> 01:07:29,350
out but I don't think you Sheriff didn't

1337
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:32,320
you know and I blame Charlie for a long

1338
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:35,520
time for even telling colonists all

1339
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:38,050
Keesler and Sheriff Department right

1340
01:07:43,350 --> 01:07:39,490
right right well see them the other

1341
01:07:45,300 --> 01:07:43,360
thing you know you know the local

1342
01:07:47,910 --> 01:07:45,310
newspapers and television stations

1343
01:07:50,790 --> 01:07:47,920
there's always somebody listening to the

1344
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:50,800
police counters right and so once the

1345
01:07:56,220 --> 01:07:54,010
media even got a whiff of it it that's

1346
01:07:57,900 --> 01:07:56,230
it it's just gonna go crazy from there

1347
01:08:01,650 --> 01:07:57,910
and that's exactly what happened wasn't

1348
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:01,660
it that's exactly what happened but you

1349
01:08:06,990 --> 01:08:03,850
know I feared it was kinda like Oh

1350
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:07,000
anything else you know everybody wants

1351
01:08:12,060 --> 01:08:09,280
to five minutes and then it's over with

1352
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:12,070
you never hear about it again write this

1353
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:15,610
story live it's still alive after 46

1354
01:08:21,059 --> 01:08:18,970
year 45 years and it just keeps getting

1355
01:08:22,740 --> 01:08:21,069
bigger and bigger and bigger but now

1356
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:22,750
that it's getting bigger it's my fault

1357
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:26,050
that it is you use I'm not attention to

1358
01:08:31,110 --> 01:08:27,970
it what you needed to tell your story

1359
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:31,120
man you needed to do it and and speaking

1360
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:33,250
of that let's get back into the car okay

1361
01:08:39,300 --> 01:08:35,970
so you guys are heading over to Biloxi

1362
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:39,310
we went right in they never even stopped

1363
01:08:45,980 --> 01:08:41,970
when we got to the gates occasionally

1364
01:08:50,610 --> 01:08:45,990
they had an LPS cortisone to the back

1365
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:50,620
and though I noticed the six men sitting

1366
01:08:56,250 --> 01:08:53,170
that turned hands medicine soon excuse

1367
01:08:59,370 --> 01:08:56,260
me we pulled up and they were some guys

1368
01:09:02,790 --> 01:08:59,380
in hazmat suits back there and they

1369
01:09:04,590 --> 01:09:02,800
motioned just get out of car and the

1370
01:09:06,540 --> 01:09:04,600
sheriff and the deputy was gonna get

1371
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:06,550
also get out of the car they pushed them

1372
01:09:14,099 --> 01:09:11,170
back in it got us up on the loading ramp

1373
01:09:15,870 --> 01:09:14,109
like at a warehouse and they started

1374
01:09:17,970 --> 01:09:15,880
running things around her body and

1375
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:17,980
checking us then I heard one of them say

1376
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:22,850
y'all clear and they also

1377
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:24,530
be pulling their suits off and they said

1378
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:27,730
now look they want to talk to you

1379
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:30,290
there's a conference room in the back of

1380
01:09:37,150 --> 01:09:33,050
this hall and they want to see y'all

1381
01:09:40,480 --> 01:09:37,160
back there now when they said in the

1382
01:09:42,780 --> 01:09:40,490
back of the hall I got a lot of exercise

1383
01:09:46,780 --> 01:09:42,790
that night walking it was the longest

1384
01:09:48,580 --> 01:09:46,790
haul I've ever seen in my life and we

1385
01:09:54,690 --> 01:09:48,590
got back there and there was a big

1386
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:54,700
conference room and it was full of all

1387
01:10:00,040 --> 01:09:58,010
officials military officials they had

1388
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:00,050
all the mayor's in the local three

1389
01:10:05,470 --> 01:10:03,920
counties you know cities they had the

1390
01:10:07,210 --> 01:10:05,480
police departments and Sheriff

1391
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:07,220
department's from each County

1392
01:10:13,780 --> 01:10:11,120
and it was full and they started

1393
01:10:15,790 --> 01:10:13,790
interrogating us are not really an

1394
01:10:18,970 --> 01:10:15,800
interrogation wanting to know what had

1395
01:10:21,220 --> 01:10:18,980
happened and they asked me I said well

1396
01:10:24,340 --> 01:10:21,230
y'all better talk to Charlie this is his

1397
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:24,350
baby down you know I don't know anything

1398
01:10:34,870 --> 01:10:31,330
and ice tried to stay by the story so

1399
01:10:38,020 --> 01:10:34,880
Charlie told him what happened and they

1400
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:38,030
was really nice I said well thank y'all

1401
01:10:45,580 --> 01:10:41,890
and we'll see you later

1402
01:10:49,150 --> 01:10:45,590
so y'all can go and we left and we went

1403
01:10:52,990 --> 01:10:49,160
back to the ship yard now by the time we

1404
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:53,000
got back to the ship yard dr. John Allen

1405
01:10:59,890 --> 01:10:56,690
Hynek and dr. Harley was there and I

1406
01:11:02,350 --> 01:10:59,900
asked his son Paul the other day I seen

1407
01:11:06,070 --> 01:11:02,360
him at a conference in no faintings

1408
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:06,080
I said do you know how that man got to

1409
01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:08,930
will we work that fast I said you not to

1410
01:11:16,150 --> 01:11:14,000
have a rocket in order to get back then

1411
01:11:21,340 --> 01:11:16,160
from wherever y'all lived he said

1412
01:11:24,250 --> 01:11:21,350
California to all who we are now I said

1413
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:24,260
that's amazing to me how he got there

1414
01:11:29,340 --> 01:11:27,170
that fast he said well he had to be some

1415
01:11:32,170 --> 01:11:29,350
world without working but you know

1416
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:32,180
Project Blue Book was already over with

1417
01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:35,090
right and he he flew down on his own

1418
01:11:39,900 --> 01:11:35,920
dime

1419
01:11:43,229 --> 01:11:39,910
him and dr. John Island harder so well

1420
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:43,239
we got back to the shipyard he said I

1421
01:11:48,620 --> 01:11:45,610
know y'all tired I want you to have a

1422
01:11:51,150 --> 01:11:48,630
clear mind exactly where did this happen

1423
01:11:53,580 --> 01:11:51,160
I'm going out to look at the side

1424
01:11:55,530 --> 01:11:53,590
tonight and I want to talk to y'all

1425
01:11:57,870 --> 01:11:55,540
we're in the morning now my plans

1426
01:12:02,040 --> 01:11:57,880
wanting to talk to nobody and I had no

1427
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:02,050
idea who he was right and hold on four

1428
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:05,770
let's pump the brakes for a second this

1429
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:07,600
is a whole lot for me to take in let

1430
01:12:13,530 --> 01:12:09,730
alone for you at the age of 18 right

1431
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:13,540
this is this is this is a lot of events

1432
01:12:21,030 --> 01:12:18,850
unfolding the night before you this

1433
01:12:23,490 --> 01:12:21,040
abduction happened this is the next day

1434
01:12:24,810 --> 01:12:23,500
you wake up you go to work the press are

1435
01:12:28,650 --> 01:12:24,820
there you got to make a press release

1436
01:12:30,780 --> 01:12:28,660
with this attorney then you guys go to

1437
01:12:33,630 --> 01:12:30,790
the hospital then you guys make it over

1438
01:12:36,090 --> 01:12:33,640
to Biloxi now you get back to the

1439
01:12:38,939 --> 01:12:36,100
shipyard this is all the next day and

1440
01:12:39,330 --> 01:12:38,949
and and J Allen Hynek is there to meet

1441
01:12:42,450 --> 01:12:39,340
you

1442
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:42,460
the very next day I mean he's there in

1443
01:12:49,050 --> 01:12:46,449
person holy mackerel and like I say I

1444
01:12:51,390 --> 01:12:49,060
saved his son I thought hey Micah tell

1445
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:51,400
me you you know how you got there that

1446
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:53,290
quick but he didn't know Wow

1447
01:12:58,709 --> 01:12:55,810
so this is all the next day and and and

1448
01:13:02,850 --> 01:12:58,719
looking back now you know who J Allen

1449
01:13:06,150 --> 01:13:02,860
Hynek is so now you know how remarkable

1450
01:13:08,390 --> 01:13:06,160
and important this is if he's at he's

1451
01:13:10,650 --> 01:13:08,400
already there to greet you guys was he

1452
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:10,660
he's pretty cool wasn't he

1453
01:13:17,070 --> 01:13:14,770
oh I like dr. honey and that's like I

1454
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:17,080
told that summer's day there's did he

1455
01:13:22,950 --> 01:13:20,890
ever just put his hands under his chin

1456
01:13:26,580 --> 01:13:22,960
and set there stare at you like he was

1457
01:13:32,340 --> 01:13:26,590
looking through you and he said well

1458
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:32,350
that's pretty typical so uh you know hey

1459
01:13:36,209 --> 01:13:34,690
and he told us he said I want to go out

1460
01:13:41,419 --> 01:13:36,219
and look at the site and I made talked

1461
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:41,429
to some people and the sheriff actually

1462
01:13:46,470 --> 01:13:44,890
agreed to we'll take him out to where

1463
01:13:48,939 --> 01:13:46,480
everything was because he knew right

1464
01:13:53,500 --> 01:13:48,949
where everything was now

1465
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:53,510
and showing the side he told us to be

1466
01:13:59,890 --> 01:13:55,370
nice just to go home and get some rest

1467
01:14:02,050 --> 01:13:59,900
that he wanted just rest it up so we did

1468
01:14:04,689 --> 01:14:02,060
that while he went to look at the side

1469
01:14:09,070 --> 01:14:04,699
we went home and I tried to get some

1470
01:14:11,620 --> 01:14:09,080
rest but at this time you know I was had

1471
01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:11,630
my family because I knew the news media

1472
01:14:18,790 --> 01:14:15,199
was there I had them to worry about and

1473
01:14:21,130 --> 01:14:18,800
I didn't call them I had all I was

1474
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:21,140
engaged to get married make the next

1475
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:25,130
month I didn't tell her I was just

1476
01:14:28,959 --> 01:14:26,810
sitting there waiting everything out

1477
01:14:31,689 --> 01:14:28,969
because what did you say to somebody

1478
01:14:35,020 --> 01:14:31,699
when you get him on the phone the reason

1479
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:35,030
I didn't call was because I didn't want

1480
01:14:39,550 --> 01:14:37,850
to alarm him and I figured I thought as

1481
01:14:42,780 --> 01:14:39,560
long as they didn't hear from me that

1482
01:14:48,850 --> 01:14:42,790
would wouldn't be much said about it

1483
01:14:51,810 --> 01:14:48,860
but uh we went home and supposedly out I

1484
01:14:55,300 --> 01:14:51,820
did try to set them made a little bit

1485
01:14:58,030 --> 01:14:55,310
Charlie's wife had something cool got up

1486
01:15:01,479 --> 01:14:58,040
the next morning and I told my bag in

1487
01:15:04,330 --> 01:15:01,489
the trunk of my car and on the way into

1488
01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:04,340
work they had a little auto parts store

1489
01:15:10,979 --> 01:15:06,320
open I stopped and got some plug wires

1490
01:15:13,959 --> 01:15:10,989
and put on my car before I got to work

1491
01:15:17,169 --> 01:15:13,969
so we left pretty early and they opened

1492
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:17,179
early so well we got there and sure

1493
01:15:24,370 --> 01:15:19,850
enough dr. Allen Hynek and dr. James

1494
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:24,380
Horner was there and he pulled us in for

1495
01:15:29,260 --> 01:15:26,690
the interview and he was one of the

1496
01:15:32,740 --> 01:15:29,270
nicest man I've ever met you know I felt

1497
01:15:35,770 --> 01:15:32,750
comfortable talking to him because he

1498
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:35,780
didn't try to rush you for questions or

1499
01:15:41,650 --> 01:15:39,410
anything he just just like set down like

1500
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:41,660
you say we sat down on the couch talking

1501
01:15:48,189 --> 01:15:45,650
right and yeah I've had people described

1502
01:15:50,169 --> 01:15:48,199
a book that we've done it's like sitting

1503
01:15:52,390 --> 01:15:50,179
in a race not like a book it's like

1504
01:15:55,870 --> 01:15:52,400
sitting in the room and you tell us the

1505
01:15:59,380 --> 01:15:55,880
story so and that's kind of like it was

1506
01:16:01,180 --> 01:15:59,390
what about dr. Hynek so dr. Hynek

1507
01:16:02,620 --> 01:16:01,190
interviewed me first and we sit there

1508
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:02,630
talk

1509
01:16:07,300 --> 01:16:05,090
a couple of hours probably and while he

1510
01:16:11,290 --> 01:16:07,310
was doing that dr. harder was in the bag

1511
01:16:14,110 --> 01:16:11,300
we're both Charlie giving him an exam

1512
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:14,120
and then we just traded places Charlie

1513
01:16:20,500 --> 01:16:18,650
came up to see dr. Hynek and oh I went

1514
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:20,510
back to see dr. harder and he checked

1515
01:16:26,710 --> 01:16:23,210
the injection sites where we got the

1516
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:26,720
shots and all that then we got through

1517
01:16:34,810 --> 01:16:31,970
and he he asked me dr. Hynek did and the

1518
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:34,820
sheriff's are watching them too I says

1519
01:16:42,910 --> 01:16:38,930
well I'm going back home I said this is

1520
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:42,920
the first first day on the job I got

1521
01:16:47,950 --> 01:16:45,650
hired fired got a physical all in one

1522
01:16:50,650 --> 01:16:47,960
day right they don't they don't want us

1523
01:16:52,900 --> 01:16:50,660
here because we're too interrupting

1524
01:16:58,420 --> 01:16:52,910
their business cycle and I don't blame

1525
01:17:00,460 --> 01:16:58,430
them right so anyhow I had my clothes in

1526
01:17:03,220 --> 01:17:00,470
the car and I dropped Charlie off by his

1527
01:17:08,590 --> 01:17:03,230
house and I shagged out and went back in

1528
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:08,600
the law and that's where I did and I

1529
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:11,450
didn't talk to my family I didn't want

1530
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:13,250
to say a word to him about it

1531
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:15,770
they'd never asked me about it they knew

1532
01:17:24,370 --> 01:17:20,570
something was wrong but uh my mother and

1533
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:24,380
my brother did called the sheriff and he

1534
01:17:32,650 --> 01:17:27,440
had told him that I was fine and kind of

1535
01:17:38,070 --> 01:17:32,660
what was going on so you know and he

1536
01:17:41,170 --> 01:17:38,080
didn't tell me they'd call but they all

1537
01:17:45,190 --> 01:17:41,180
they told me that he you know they had

1538
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:45,200
told him so anyhow I got home I didn't

1539
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:47,930
talk about this nobody tried to proceed

1540
01:17:54,430 --> 01:17:52,250
with a normal life well it was like the

1541
01:17:56,850 --> 01:17:54,440
press turned around turned over a bunch

1542
01:18:00,550 --> 01:17:56,860
of bloodhound dogs to hunt me down

1543
01:18:03,730 --> 01:18:00,560
because where I live then it was hard to

1544
01:18:06,340 --> 01:18:03,740
find I mean we was stuffed in the back

1545
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:06,350
wheels Shack back home 200 acres laying

1546
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:08,810
back there if we're nobody

1547
01:18:15,669 --> 01:18:13,610
rocking lost some time going in sure but

1548
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:15,679
they hunted me down

1549
01:18:25,549 --> 01:18:22,130
so whoa I wouldn't talk to him and I

1550
01:18:27,469 --> 01:18:25,559
just couldn't bring myself you know to

1551
01:18:30,199 --> 01:18:27,479
talk to the press I didn't want nobody

1552
01:18:32,359 --> 01:18:30,209
to know because I was having a hard

1553
01:18:34,819 --> 01:18:32,369
enough time then dealing with everything

1554
01:18:37,069 --> 01:18:34,829
so I really didn't want nobody to know

1555
01:18:39,379 --> 01:18:37,079
what was going on I didn't want my

1556
01:18:42,319 --> 01:18:39,389
family to know why that won't my few

1557
01:18:44,709 --> 01:18:42,329
little friends that I had to know I mean

1558
01:18:48,529 --> 01:18:44,719
I just kind of kept it to myself

1559
01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:48,539
Calvin before we head to a break which

1560
01:18:53,929 --> 01:18:50,880
we got to do here in two minutes the bag

1561
01:18:56,899 --> 01:18:53,939
of clothes right that you put in the

1562
01:19:00,890 --> 01:18:56,909
paper bag and put in the dumpster yes

1563
01:19:02,509 --> 01:19:00,900
what what happened to those I guess the

1564
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:02,519
trash man must have hauled them off

1565
01:19:07,100 --> 01:19:05,130
because I would have loved the head you

1566
01:19:10,399 --> 01:19:07,110
know back then they didn't have DNA but

1567
01:19:12,379 --> 01:19:10,409
now they have D and they right and I

1568
01:19:15,290 --> 01:19:12,389
would have loved to have them examined

1569
01:19:16,879 --> 01:19:15,300
by a true forensic scientist and they

1570
01:19:20,140 --> 01:19:16,889
might could have picked up something

1571
01:19:22,669 --> 01:19:20,150
yeah dr. Hynek should have should have

1572
01:19:26,750 --> 01:19:22,679
you didn't tell dr. Hynek where you put

1573
01:19:29,660 --> 01:19:26,760
the clothes no he's more interested in

1574
01:19:32,660 --> 01:19:29,670
what happened he actually went out to

1575
01:19:34,790 --> 01:19:32,670
the site that night talked to the bridge

1576
01:19:37,850 --> 01:19:34,800
tender when I got him awake now that

1577
01:19:42,979 --> 01:19:37,860
bridge tender he sits in a recliner we

1578
01:19:45,109 --> 01:19:42,989
was back to the Oh away from us and he

1579
01:19:47,629 --> 01:19:45,119
they had to wake him up to talk to him

1580
01:19:49,939 --> 01:19:47,639
as he beats anything because he had to

1581
01:19:53,540 --> 01:19:49,949
have the Border's job in the world so he

1582
01:19:55,279 --> 01:19:53,550
had a little TV in there sure and he was

1583
01:19:56,929 --> 01:19:55,289
sitting there watching it and they

1584
01:20:00,859 --> 01:19:56,939
weren't paying no attention to what was

1585
01:20:02,839 --> 01:20:00,869
going on behind and he more or less say

1586
01:20:04,879 --> 01:20:02,849
that we'll look you know I'll lay up

1587
01:20:07,790 --> 01:20:04,889
here and I take a nap some time and

1588
01:20:10,939 --> 01:20:07,800
they're called me on the radio or blow a

1589
01:20:14,859 --> 01:20:10,949
siren you know let the brilliant you let

1590
01:20:18,620 --> 01:20:14,869
everybody get by and then though

1591
01:20:20,500 --> 01:20:18,630
somebody said well a reporter for The

1592
01:20:24,500 --> 01:20:20,510
Rolling Stones says whoa

1593
01:20:27,199 --> 01:20:24,510
they got this shipyards they said they

1594
01:20:28,820 --> 01:20:27,209
didn't see nothing on the cameras I said

1595
01:20:30,740 --> 01:20:28,830
when you idiot they did

1596
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:30,750
have cameras back in that was an

1597
01:20:35,390 --> 01:20:33,600
abandoned shipyard no they didn't see

1598
01:20:37,700 --> 01:20:35,400
nothing they don't even have electricity

1599
01:20:40,220 --> 01:20:37,710
in it right right

1600
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:40,230
all it was was a little Shack out there

1601
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:42,690
and you know it's just people reaching

1602
01:20:48,230 --> 01:20:44,970
their own conclusions about things and

1603
01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:48,240
to make kind of a long story short

1604
01:20:52,970 --> 01:20:50,490
that's what really turned me off to

1605
01:20:55,940 --> 01:20:52,980
talking about it if I could have got up

1606
01:20:58,790 --> 01:20:55,950
and told the story of one time and them

1607
01:21:02,330 --> 01:20:58,800
not changed nothing up or not trying to

1608
01:21:06,260 --> 01:21:02,340
back then they really tried to ridicule

1609
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:06,270
pretty bad right I mean nowadays they

1610
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:08,490
hammering you on Facebook pretty bad I

1611
01:21:15,620 --> 01:21:11,760
just don't say nothing most people those

1612
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:15,630
pretty nice but you get some at all and

1613
01:21:20,930 --> 01:21:18,930
like I was there with you and say you

1614
01:21:23,480 --> 01:21:20,940
was home no for drinking and everything

1615
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:23,490
else telling people don't no way from

1616
01:21:26,480 --> 01:21:25,920
nobody else they don't know what I was

1617
01:21:28,670 --> 01:21:26,490
doing

1618
01:21:31,010 --> 01:21:28,680
that's right that's right and and Calvin

1619
01:21:33,010 --> 01:21:31,020
stay right there let's take our next to

1620
01:21:36,020 --> 01:21:33,020
break our guest tonight Calvin Parker

1621
01:21:38,270 --> 01:21:36,030
whoo man I'm trying to take it all in

1622
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:38,280
Calvin and we got we got a lot more to

1623
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:41,850
talk about he'll continue all of it yeah

1624
01:21:44,090 --> 01:21:42,570
we do

1625
01:21:45,370 --> 01:21:44,100
right after this short break stay with

1626
01:22:03,740 --> 01:21:45,380
us

1627
01:22:06,330 --> 01:22:05,010
welcome back

1628
01:22:11,250 --> 01:22:06,340
fade to black I am your host Jimmy

1629
01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:11,260
Church amazing conversation tonight with

1630
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:15,520
Calvin Parker amazing amazing and now

1631
01:22:21,810 --> 01:22:20,530
Calvin looking back you know for me you

1632
01:22:24,959 --> 01:22:21,820
know like I said I was about 10 years

1633
01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:24,969
old when I was exactly 10 it was my

1634
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:29,199
birthday and this this unrolled and when

1635
01:22:35,790 --> 01:22:33,520
it did it was on the news every night

1636
01:22:37,050 --> 01:22:35,800
nationally I can't speak for around the

1637
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:37,060
world but it was the same situation

1638
01:22:43,260 --> 01:22:40,690
going on every night for what seemed to

1639
01:22:45,060 --> 01:22:43,270
be months and of course Charles he's

1640
01:22:48,510 --> 01:22:45,070
doing I think he did The Tonight Show

1641
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:48,520
didn't he he did with Johnny Carson he

1642
01:22:54,030 --> 01:22:51,610
certainly did and you were watching this

1643
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:54,040
start to unfold right in front of you

1644
01:22:58,649 --> 01:22:56,530
the press finds your place you just

1645
01:23:03,510 --> 01:22:58,659
described it at the back of 200 acres

1646
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:03,520
they start to converge how how did how

1647
01:23:11,250 --> 01:23:07,650
did it happen take me through it well

1648
01:23:13,590 --> 01:23:11,260
you know I was out of a job so I had to

1649
01:23:16,830 --> 01:23:13,600
find another job and the only thing I

1650
01:23:18,810 --> 01:23:16,840
knew besides that was the whole field so

1651
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:18,820
I had some connections that go back to

1652
01:23:24,090 --> 01:23:21,010
work in the whole field and a good thing

1653
01:23:26,130 --> 01:23:24,100
about that you had to travel some time

1654
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:26,140
and I was one of them and just

1655
01:23:34,229 --> 01:23:29,440
volunteered to travel so I just took my

1656
01:23:36,930 --> 01:23:34,239
little family up and went to work and we

1657
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:36,940
worked all over the United States we

1658
01:23:42,930 --> 01:23:39,850
traveled a lot but they always seem to

1659
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:42,940
show up and when they would you know I

1660
01:23:48,030 --> 01:23:45,610
changed jobs ain't no telling how many

1661
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:48,040
different types of jobs I had there in

1662
01:23:58,500 --> 01:23:52,810
the past all I wanted to do was get

1663
01:24:02,640 --> 01:23:58,510
married have a family have grandchildren

1664
01:24:04,530 --> 01:24:02,650
buy a house and retire and that's all I

1665
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:04,540
wanted that life I didn't want all this

1666
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:08,530
extra burden around me and this worked

1667
01:24:13,220 --> 01:24:10,090
out pretty good

1668
01:24:15,540 --> 01:24:13,230
cuz I never talked about it to my family

1669
01:24:19,669 --> 01:24:15,550
not my wife not my

1670
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:19,679
daughter not my friends and then one day

1671
01:24:28,500 --> 01:24:24,489
we were at the house and we bought a

1672
01:24:31,620 --> 01:24:28,510
house you know right right down for past

1673
01:24:34,830 --> 01:24:31,630
Magilla and live in a subdivision and

1674
01:24:36,209 --> 01:24:34,840
the people in the subdivision didn't

1675
01:24:38,990 --> 01:24:36,219
even know my real name because I

1676
01:24:43,770 --> 01:24:39,000
wouldn't never tell them you know they

1677
01:24:46,589 --> 01:24:43,780
I've heard so many how used until but

1678
01:24:48,780 --> 01:24:46,599
I've never told anybody my real name I

1679
01:24:53,310 --> 01:24:48,790
just kind of went by my middle name you

1680
01:24:59,640 --> 01:24:53,320
know and one day we had a neighbor dive

1681
01:25:03,899 --> 01:24:59,650
and out of compassion for his wife and

1682
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:03,909
child we went to the wake and I signed a

1683
01:25:11,089 --> 01:25:05,530
register at the wake

1684
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:11,099
with my real name so when I done that I

1685
01:25:17,729 --> 01:25:14,730
thought ah maybe nobody notice it

1686
01:25:19,260 --> 01:25:17,739
everybody had two or three people come

1687
01:25:22,399 --> 01:25:19,270
up that was they're from Texas

1688
01:25:25,169 --> 01:25:22,409
they said are you they Calvin Parker I

1689
01:25:28,500 --> 01:25:25,179
said they Calvin Parker I guess that's

1690
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:28,510
my name why well we want to hear about

1691
01:25:33,540 --> 01:25:32,290
it with him when one or two got to

1692
01:25:36,930 --> 01:25:33,550
coming around now

1693
01:25:38,970 --> 01:25:36,940
Benton talked about it I said well you

1694
01:25:43,740 --> 01:25:38,980
know look this sitting a place to do

1695
01:25:45,870 --> 01:25:43,750
nothing like this tell my wife go get in

1696
01:25:49,229 --> 01:25:45,880
the truck we're gonna leave and go back

1697
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:49,239
home because I don't want to draw

1698
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:52,090
attention to us and his wife and

1699
01:25:57,629 --> 01:25:55,210
daughter and they're grieving right so

1700
01:26:03,049 --> 01:25:57,639
on the way home my wife says you know

1701
01:26:07,799 --> 01:26:03,059
now this was just last year you know I

1702
01:26:11,729 --> 01:26:07,809
forget what month it was but uh she said

1703
01:26:15,450 --> 01:26:11,739
why don't you write a book I said I

1704
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:15,460
don't have an education I'm not gonna

1705
01:26:19,979 --> 01:26:18,010
write no book on this I've run from it

1706
01:26:23,459 --> 01:26:19,989
all my life and I don't need to be

1707
01:26:26,819 --> 01:26:23,469
writing the book then she mentioned it

1708
01:26:28,979 --> 01:26:26,829
again I said look you get a ghostwriter

1709
01:26:33,299 --> 01:26:28,989
and you won't tell them what to write

1710
01:26:34,979 --> 01:26:33,309
go ahead rowdy so wha but I knew that

1711
01:26:38,419 --> 01:26:34,989
one don't happen I'm just telling her

1712
01:26:40,410 --> 01:26:38,429
anything I could to get her to shut up

1713
01:26:43,620 --> 01:26:40,420
what's your wife's name

1714
01:26:45,569 --> 01:26:43,630
why are you no don't Dorothy wanted that

1715
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:45,579
but we call her why me you call her why

1716
01:26:51,660 --> 01:26:47,130
not okay

1717
01:26:53,669 --> 01:26:51,670
did you through those 45 years did you

1718
01:26:56,189 --> 01:26:53,679
did you ever tell her the whole story

1719
01:26:59,370 --> 01:26:56,199
from beginning to end just sit down and

1720
01:27:02,549 --> 01:26:59,380
go okay this is what happened no never

1721
01:27:04,410 --> 01:27:02,559
did they ever mention it it costs a lot

1722
01:27:08,220 --> 01:27:04,420
of hard feelings because I wouldn't talk

1723
01:27:14,339 --> 01:27:08,230
about it but back then I when we got

1724
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:14,349
married I was 18 she was 16 mm-hmm you

1725
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:16,449
know her daily pretty much a basket case

1726
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:19,210
when it came to me anyway so I didn't

1727
01:27:22,979 --> 01:27:21,010
feel like I needed to expose her to

1728
01:27:26,220 --> 01:27:22,989
anything that she didn't need to be

1729
01:27:29,580 --> 01:27:26,230
exposed to but she didn't know she just

1730
01:27:32,339 --> 01:27:29,590
didn't ask she didn't know she did out

1731
01:27:35,100 --> 01:27:32,349
of respect for me what I found out she

1732
01:27:38,700 --> 01:27:35,110
you know she just didn't ask about it

1733
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:38,710
now what about okay but you had to deal

1734
01:27:44,609 --> 01:27:42,489
with with Charles right Charles is out

1735
01:27:47,220 --> 01:27:44,619
there soon TV shows he's doing press

1736
01:27:49,739 --> 01:27:47,230
he's doing the news he's he's in the

1737
01:27:51,689 --> 01:27:49,749
paper he's on the cover of The Enquirer

1738
01:27:52,109 --> 01:27:51,699
for a couple of years you know what I

1739
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:52,119
mean

1740
01:27:55,919 --> 01:27:54,610
that must have gone everywhere for you

1741
01:28:00,870 --> 01:27:55,929
every time he turned around there was

1742
01:28:05,220 --> 01:28:00,880
Charles Hickson yeah I know he oh and

1743
01:28:07,020 --> 01:28:05,230
that really that really maybe man cuz he

1744
01:28:11,819 --> 01:28:07,030
was the one that actually kept this

1745
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:11,829
thing alive for a long time and me and

1746
01:28:16,529 --> 01:28:13,690
Charlie had a falling out over this

1747
01:28:19,140 --> 01:28:16,539
whole deal because I didn't feel like it

1748
01:28:23,700 --> 01:28:19,150
was nobody else's business at at that

1749
01:28:25,830 --> 01:28:23,710
time and he wanted to talk about it but

1750
01:28:30,390 --> 01:28:25,840
I guess different people handle things a

1751
01:28:32,310 --> 01:28:30,400
little different and you know he handled

1752
01:28:35,189 --> 01:28:32,320
it by going out into the public and

1753
01:28:38,129 --> 01:28:35,199
talking and now that he did it I'm glad

1754
01:28:41,129 --> 01:28:38,139
he did you know I could understand

1755
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:41,139
because he did kind of keep it alive and

1756
01:28:46,050 --> 01:28:42,290
I'm at a point in my

1757
01:28:52,510 --> 01:28:46,060
life to deal with it a little better the

1758
01:28:55,420 --> 01:28:52,520
the story that he went out and I want to

1759
01:28:59,380 --> 01:28:55,430
get to today that's so we'll do that in

1760
01:29:03,640 --> 01:28:59,390
just a second but the way that he retold

1761
01:29:05,860 --> 01:29:03,650
it and recounted it do you feel was it

1762
01:29:08,380 --> 01:29:05,870
was he accurate did he embellish did he

1763
01:29:12,630 --> 01:29:08,390
change it or or was it pretty much

1764
01:29:15,730 --> 01:29:12,640
exactly how it went down well you know I

1765
01:29:16,300 --> 01:29:15,740
had this conversation with Phil at one

1766
01:29:18,790 --> 01:29:16,310
time

1767
01:29:21,580 --> 01:29:18,800
he's pretty accurate with the way it

1768
01:29:24,370 --> 01:29:21,590
went down but he kind of embellished it

1769
01:29:27,820 --> 01:29:24,380
a little bit and you know he said he

1770
01:29:30,220 --> 01:29:27,830
found a rock that he rubbed and anytime

1771
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:30,230
he wanted to do or talk to me they would

1772
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:34,370
come and talk to him and you know he did

1773
01:29:38,140 --> 01:29:36,290
find the rock but I was with him when he

1774
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:38,150
found that rock it was just a pretty

1775
01:29:42,580 --> 01:29:40,130
rock laying on the ground I found a

1776
01:29:45,430 --> 01:29:42,590
riverbed and he picked it up in this

1777
01:29:48,790 --> 01:29:45,440
pocket so he embellished a little bit of

1778
01:29:51,430 --> 01:29:48,800
it and I don't know it was starting to

1779
01:29:53,650 --> 01:29:51,440
go to his head or what it was but he

1780
01:29:57,640 --> 01:29:53,660
stayed pretty honest to what really

1781
01:30:01,440 --> 01:29:57,650
happened and and now how about you let's

1782
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:01,450
talk about you over these last 45 years

1783
01:30:08,110 --> 01:30:05,570
did you ever make contact again I did

1784
01:30:13,650 --> 01:30:08,120
what happened when did it happen with

1785
01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:13,660
the first time 1993 ninety three twenty

1786
01:30:25,930 --> 01:30:18,050
twenty years later okay hey oh my this

1787
01:30:29,260 --> 01:30:25,940
was all May in 93 and actually what had

1788
01:30:32,260 --> 01:30:29,270
happened I got up and told my wife I

1789
01:30:35,860 --> 01:30:32,270
said look I'm gonna go fishing I'll be

1790
01:30:37,930 --> 01:30:35,870
back before dark cuz you know since 73 I

1791
01:30:40,450 --> 01:30:37,940
didn't stay out there not too much by

1792
01:30:42,330 --> 01:30:40,460
myself no I start going to the islands

1793
01:30:45,580 --> 01:30:42,340
and I'll be back before dark

1794
01:30:49,180 --> 01:30:45,590
well I scooted off it's about a six mile

1795
01:30:50,950 --> 01:30:49,190
run to the island and when I turn I was

1796
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:50,960
getting ready to fish now this is where

1797
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:52,850
the baloney sandwich comes in that I

1798
01:30:59,380 --> 01:30:55,010
told you change to a blondie sandwich

1799
01:31:02,910 --> 01:30:59,390
right right and I was waiting on the

1800
01:31:06,270 --> 01:31:02,920
time so I got my lunch out and I laid it

1801
01:31:09,130 --> 01:31:06,280
for some reason I laid it down by me and

1802
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:09,140
this is kind of funny he had come up I

1803
01:31:15,250 --> 01:31:11,210
just had recently had a hypnosis session

1804
01:31:18,460 --> 01:31:15,260
and you know it pulled some memories of

1805
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:18,470
that lunch back out and I laid it there

1806
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:21,770
and though I was laying on my back

1807
01:31:29,770 --> 01:31:26,770
looking up and there was a big cloud and

1808
01:31:32,460 --> 01:31:29,780
but you could see under this cloud the

1809
01:31:35,770 --> 01:31:32,470
bottom of what appeared to be a

1810
01:31:40,090 --> 01:31:35,780
spaceship and they sent me into this

1811
01:31:43,180 --> 01:31:40,100
thing and now at the time that this all

1812
01:31:44,250 --> 01:31:43,190
happened I didn't know where the time

1813
01:31:49,510 --> 01:31:44,260
went

1814
01:31:52,390 --> 01:31:49,520
and they pulled me up into this thing

1815
01:31:56,590 --> 01:31:52,400
and pretty much almost the same thing

1816
01:31:58,900 --> 01:31:56,600
and the same ones happened but I didn't

1817
01:32:01,030 --> 01:31:58,910
couldn't account for time from 11

1818
01:32:04,780 --> 01:32:01,040
o'clock that day to 3 o'clock the next

1819
01:32:07,930 --> 01:32:04,790
morning I got in the boat when I woke up

1820
01:32:10,570 --> 01:32:07,940
it was dark and I thought maybe I just

1821
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:10,580
fell asleep but I didn't sleep from 11

1822
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:13,130
o'clock that day to 3 the next morning I

1823
01:32:19,750 --> 01:32:15,890
run into my truck and when I took my

1824
01:32:23,470 --> 01:32:19,760
time it was 3 and I was bloody again I

1825
01:32:25,990 --> 01:32:23,480
had blood all over me well I was

1826
01:32:31,810 --> 01:32:26,000
bothering me so I had told a friend in

1827
01:32:35,979 --> 01:32:31,820
blue I got some time that I can't

1828
01:32:39,250 --> 01:32:35,989
account for while I was fishing and he

1829
01:32:41,580 --> 01:32:39,260
kept up he kind of kept up with Charlie

1830
01:32:44,140 --> 01:32:41,590
and his conferences and things like that

1831
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:44,150
he said there's a man I want you to talk

1832
01:32:49,210 --> 01:32:47,690
to he wrote a book on missing time and I

1833
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:49,220
said well who was that

1834
01:32:52,900 --> 01:32:51,050
he said Budd Hopkins well I didn't know

1835
01:32:55,630 --> 01:32:52,910
but Hawkins for me anybody

1836
01:32:58,840 --> 01:32:55,640
mmm-hmm he said he's speaking in Tampa

1837
01:33:01,229 --> 01:32:58,850
at a conference let's let's go over

1838
01:33:07,450 --> 01:33:01,239
there it's not a 12 hour ride let's go

1839
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:07,460
so we went to Tampa Florida and got

1840
01:33:11,979 --> 01:33:08,690
there they went

1841
01:33:13,900 --> 01:33:11,989
his room I mean they went to the

1842
01:33:15,430 --> 01:33:13,910
conference I wouldn't go into conference

1843
01:33:18,459 --> 01:33:15,440
I didn't want to be recognized to

1844
01:33:23,050 --> 01:33:18,469
nothing it said that Calvin Parker wants

1845
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:23,060
to talk to you and course bud he must

1846
01:33:28,900 --> 01:33:25,370
just lit up he's and here's my room key

1847
01:33:32,620 --> 01:33:28,910
I'll be done here in a few minutes so

1848
01:33:35,709 --> 01:33:32,630
Budd Hopkins told us to go to his room

1849
01:33:37,570 --> 01:33:35,719
we just wait on him and when he got to

1850
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:37,580
the room of course I introduced myself

1851
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:40,610
he introduced he is and again he was

1852
01:33:46,030 --> 01:33:43,610
kind of like dr. John Allen Hynek you

1853
01:33:49,300 --> 01:33:46,040
know I didn't know him from anybody nice

1854
01:33:50,610 --> 01:33:49,310
guy though Oh bugs a great guy buds a

1855
01:33:56,110 --> 01:33:50,620
great guy

1856
01:33:59,620 --> 01:33:56,120
and he said look Kevin can i hypnotize

1857
01:34:03,790 --> 01:33:59,630
you so well I don't know if you can or

1858
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:03,800
not but uh why he said I want to see if

1859
01:34:10,180 --> 01:34:07,010
I could pull some details out pull some

1860
01:34:13,450 --> 01:34:10,190
bags out I said look there's only one

1861
01:34:15,610 --> 01:34:13,460
way I'm gonna agreed to this you don't

1862
01:34:17,860 --> 01:34:15,620
make an idiot out of me right I've been

1863
01:34:22,209 --> 01:34:17,870
to Las Vegas and I send these floors

1864
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:22,219
shows you know where they hypnotize the

1865
01:34:26,110 --> 01:34:23,930
first three or four rows and they make

1866
01:34:27,250 --> 01:34:26,120
them do all kind of state making a bark

1867
01:34:29,290 --> 01:34:27,260
like a dog

1868
01:34:31,630 --> 01:34:29,300
yeah yeah yeah you don't want to do any

1869
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:31,640
of that hey I had the same thing when it

1870
01:34:36,370 --> 01:34:33,530
comes to that kind of stuff Cal I'm

1871
01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:36,380
right with you I'm I was right there so

1872
01:34:42,490 --> 01:34:40,130
it was a so buds cool you know is and so

1873
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:42,500
what happened right there in the room

1874
01:34:48,729 --> 01:34:46,250
huh oh right in the room so I agreed I

1875
01:34:51,820 --> 01:34:48,739
said no look but here's the deal there's

1876
01:34:54,340 --> 01:34:51,830
a ball back the trunk of my car and if

1877
01:34:56,709 --> 01:34:54,350
you make me do something stupid I'm

1878
01:34:58,330 --> 01:34:56,719
gonna tell this guy now I've never been

1879
01:35:00,880 --> 01:34:58,340
hypnotized I didn't know what it was

1880
01:35:02,950 --> 01:35:00,890
about I'm gonna get this guy to get this

1881
01:35:04,990 --> 01:35:02,960
ball back beat your brains out if he

1882
01:35:08,620 --> 01:35:05,000
didn't just hand it to me when I get up

1883
01:35:10,689 --> 01:35:08,630
and I'm gonna take the blame well that

1884
01:35:12,100 --> 01:35:10,699
kind of giggled and laughed a little bit

1885
01:35:15,930 --> 01:35:12,110
he said you don't have to worry about

1886
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:15,940
nothing right on now what I didn't know

1887
01:35:23,010 --> 01:35:19,850
up until the day I wrote a book this was

1888
01:35:26,910 --> 01:35:23,020
a two-hour session over

1889
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:26,920
and he had put a posthypnotic suggestion

1890
01:35:34,020 --> 01:35:30,010
in my head that I would remember this

1891
01:35:36,690 --> 01:35:34,030
until it was time to remember it now I

1892
01:35:39,150 --> 01:35:36,700
always thought being hypnotized was a

1893
01:35:41,730 --> 01:35:39,160
bunch of bull but it you know I was

1894
01:35:44,490 --> 01:35:41,740
actually hypnotized and when I did the

1895
01:35:44,850 --> 01:35:44,500
book I kind of mentioned to Philip you

1896
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:44,860
know

1897
01:35:50,790 --> 01:35:47,530
well Budd Hopkins I meant but he said I

1898
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:50,800
know but he's a personal friend I said

1899
01:35:55,980 --> 01:35:53,050
well he tried to hypnotize him he said

1900
01:35:59,730 --> 01:35:55,990
he did he said let me see if I could

1901
01:36:03,240 --> 01:35:59,740
find that tape so he called dr. Jacobs

1902
01:36:05,220 --> 01:36:03,250
of course Budd was dead then right dr.

1903
01:36:07,620 --> 01:36:05,230
Jacobs called me and asked if he could

1904
01:36:10,700 --> 01:36:07,630
send a tape I said sure is nothing on in

1905
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:10,710
anyway you know I never was hypnotized

1906
01:36:21,930 --> 01:36:18,730
that's what you thought oh man okay so

1907
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:21,940
David Jacobs sends you the tape yeah

1908
01:36:25,620 --> 01:36:23,770
well he said it straight into wall

1909
01:36:31,710 --> 01:36:25,630
Philip mantel right

1910
01:36:35,010 --> 01:36:31,720
well Philip started transcribing the

1911
01:36:37,770 --> 01:36:35,020
tape out writing it all down and it took

1912
01:36:41,550 --> 01:36:37,780
a while because I spoke a little softer

1913
01:36:45,150 --> 01:36:41,560
so dear bud when he emailed me a copy of

1914
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:45,160
the transcripts by the computer and then

1915
01:36:52,530 --> 01:36:46,930
asked me to look at them to see if I

1916
01:36:55,500 --> 01:36:52,540
remember them I got into all the first

1917
01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:55,510
paragraph or two and then my memory

1918
01:36:59,310 --> 01:36:57,010
started coming back and I stopped

1919
01:37:03,240 --> 01:36:59,320
reading them because I didn't want

1920
01:37:05,460 --> 01:37:03,250
something in my mind that I didn't

1921
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:05,470
remember happening or that wasn't there

1922
01:37:11,550 --> 01:37:08,530
and again like I say I met Burt Hawkins

1923
01:37:14,070 --> 01:37:11,560
one time he did this hypnosis session so

1924
01:37:19,440 --> 01:37:14,080
I didn't know the man I didn't trust the

1925
01:37:21,480 --> 01:37:19,450
man and start with but uh anyhow I

1926
01:37:24,870 --> 01:37:21,490
stopped reading it I went on the porch I

1927
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:24,880
told my wife I said you know I wouldn't

1928
01:37:28,260 --> 01:37:26,410
let you come in a room over there

1929
01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:28,270
because I was trying to protect you I

1930
01:37:32,910 --> 01:37:30,610
said but now that we're doing this book

1931
01:37:37,140 --> 01:37:32,920
I want you to go back and read that and

1932
01:37:41,830 --> 01:37:37,150
as I remember something I'm going to

1933
01:37:45,189 --> 01:37:41,840
tell you about it and you tell me if

1934
01:37:45,990 --> 01:37:45,199
it's true or not I said I just want the

1935
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:46,000
facts

1936
01:37:53,740 --> 01:37:50,690
so she came back she and she was back in

1937
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:53,750
the ring quite a while in my office and

1938
01:38:00,790 --> 01:37:56,690
ready and come back up that she was

1939
01:38:03,399 --> 01:38:00,800
crying oh man yeah and she was really

1940
01:38:05,109 --> 01:38:03,409
upset about all of it was she kind of

1941
01:38:05,830 --> 01:38:05,119
shut down you know wouldn't talk about

1942
01:38:10,899 --> 01:38:05,840
it

1943
01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:10,909
had happened I had actually got into a

1944
01:38:14,020 --> 01:38:13,489
oh well I didn't read it my memory

1945
01:38:16,660 --> 01:38:14,030
started

1946
01:38:19,959 --> 01:38:16,670
Linda Moulton Howe did an interview with

1947
01:38:26,290 --> 01:38:19,969
me and she is a tough investigative

1948
01:38:28,209 --> 01:38:26,300
reporter and she pulled out stuff and

1949
01:38:32,709 --> 01:38:28,219
she jogged my memory with some things

1950
01:38:35,819 --> 01:38:32,719
that she was saying and it started

1951
01:38:39,010 --> 01:38:35,829
coming back just like watching the film

1952
01:38:40,930 --> 01:38:39,020
and trying to find out when I did get

1953
01:38:42,939 --> 01:38:40,940
down when I remembered as much as I

1954
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:42,949
could remember and I read the

1955
01:38:48,069 --> 01:38:45,050
transcripts it was just like bud did

1956
01:38:50,740 --> 01:38:48,079
with a posthypnotic suggestion that when

1957
01:38:55,089 --> 01:38:50,750
I could handle it and could remember it

1958
01:38:57,339 --> 01:38:55,099
then my memory would come back and when

1959
01:39:02,470 --> 01:38:57,349
it started coming back as when I started

1960
01:39:04,990 --> 01:39:02,480
writing the book I said I'm Philip had

1961
01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:05,000
called me when my wife was on the writer

1962
01:39:09,819 --> 01:39:08,210
book and he said well you know you know

1963
01:39:12,669 --> 01:39:09,829
the press changes everything

1964
01:39:15,399 --> 01:39:12,679
one and he made a lot of sense when he

1965
01:39:16,060 --> 01:39:15,409
said this why don't you all put it in

1966
01:39:20,729 --> 01:39:16,070
black and white

1967
01:39:23,770 --> 01:39:20,739
and I can't change it that's your legacy

1968
01:39:29,020 --> 01:39:23,780
mm-hmm well that made a lot of sense

1969
01:39:30,879 --> 01:39:29,030
because the UFO subject was getting

1970
01:39:32,410 --> 01:39:30,889
pretty popular known I didn't figure

1971
01:39:35,350 --> 01:39:32,420
anybody think I was crazy

1972
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:35,360
I was thinking that I didn't have too

1973
01:39:41,859 --> 01:39:39,050
much longer to live and I owed it to the

1974
01:39:44,770 --> 01:39:41,869
people in the community where I lived in

1975
01:39:47,799 --> 01:39:44,780
Jackson County past madula the Gulf

1976
01:39:49,990 --> 01:39:47,809
Coast and to my family to do a book I

1977
01:39:50,529 --> 01:39:50,000
said and I was thinking myself well what

1978
01:39:54,099 --> 01:39:50,539
harm

1979
01:39:56,919 --> 01:39:54,109
Kennedy do so I told Phillip I said look

1980
01:40:01,750 --> 01:39:56,929
Phillip I don't have the education to do

1981
01:40:03,789 --> 01:40:01,760
a book and if I do do one I don't want

1982
01:40:06,520 --> 01:40:03,799
nothing changed it I don't want the

1983
01:40:09,909 --> 01:40:06,530
spelling corrected I don't want a

1984
01:40:13,539 --> 01:40:09,919
punctuation mark put in I want it to be

1985
01:40:15,609 --> 01:40:13,549
me I want it to be in my words and he

1986
01:40:18,099 --> 01:40:15,619
agreed to do that and the man has stood

1987
01:40:20,259 --> 01:40:18,109
a hundred percent by his words yeah yeah

1988
01:40:24,549 --> 01:40:20,269
Philip is great and the book is great

1989
01:40:28,270 --> 01:40:24,559
it's a it's a great read and everybody

1990
01:40:29,679 --> 01:40:28,280
can just go to click on computer 2002 I

1991
01:40:32,579 --> 01:40:29,689
come right there with Calvin Parker and

1992
01:40:38,589 --> 01:40:32,589
go over and get yourself a copy of this

1993
01:40:42,369 --> 01:40:38,599
what I did want to ask you though and

1994
01:40:43,989 --> 01:40:42,379
now I it got away from me Calvin my next

1995
01:40:49,149 --> 01:40:43,999
question was the best one of the night

1996
01:40:58,359 --> 01:40:49,159
and it's now gone it just got away from

1997
01:41:02,109 --> 01:40:58,369
me but is oh oh oh okay so versus what

1998
01:41:05,770 --> 01:41:02,119
your wife read you know with Budd

1999
01:41:09,250 --> 01:41:05,780
Hopkins and your memory and this book

2000
01:41:15,489 --> 01:41:09,260
did you go back and and read buds

2001
01:41:18,759 --> 01:41:15,499
transcript yeah it was just because that

2002
01:41:23,289 --> 01:41:18,769
what making much sense to me when I did

2003
01:41:26,429 --> 01:41:23,299
read it but he had two separate events

2004
01:41:30,389 --> 01:41:26,439
put into one and it was rambled together

2005
01:41:35,099 --> 01:41:30,399
so that's when oh we got Kathleen

2006
01:41:38,139 --> 01:41:35,109
Kathleen Martin right to come down she

2007
01:41:41,139 --> 01:41:38,149
she just left here just for we did the

2008
01:41:46,239 --> 01:41:41,149
book and she did a three-hour hypnosis

2009
01:41:48,699 --> 01:41:46,249
session on me and try to unravel some of

2010
01:41:52,779 --> 01:41:48,709
the things that was rivaled in my memory

2011
01:41:56,349 --> 01:41:52,789
there so she separated dance dance and

2012
01:41:59,409 --> 01:41:56,359
she but it's been 73 and the one in 93

2013
01:42:02,169 --> 01:41:59,419
two different categories and she's

2014
01:42:03,860 --> 01:42:02,179
separating them all out and made

2015
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:03,870
everything clear and

2016
01:42:08,990 --> 01:42:08,010
we found a lot of fact we did a lot of

2017
01:42:11,510 --> 01:42:09,000
fact hunting

2018
01:42:15,650 --> 01:42:11,520
she wouldn't lead you into a question

2019
01:42:18,260 --> 01:42:15,660
she would just say in what else or

2020
01:42:20,810 --> 01:42:18,270
something like that and she was great I

2021
01:42:23,930 --> 01:42:20,820
mean she took her time and did a great

2022
01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:23,940
job and really professional about it you

2023
01:42:31,250 --> 01:42:27,050
know and the only reason I would let her

2024
01:42:33,950 --> 01:42:31,260
even do that I met her at UFO Congress

2025
01:42:36,710 --> 01:42:33,960
in Phoenix Arizona mm-hmm we had a

2026
01:42:39,050 --> 01:42:36,720
little booth set up out together and we

2027
01:42:42,140 --> 01:42:39,060
got pretty close I got to talking to her

2028
01:42:45,860 --> 01:42:42,150
and then Philip thought I might need

2029
01:42:48,350 --> 01:42:45,870
hypnotizing again and I said well you

2030
01:42:50,950 --> 01:42:48,360
know Kathleen does this she's a

2031
01:42:55,970 --> 01:42:50,960
professional she does it for a living

2032
01:42:57,740 --> 01:42:55,980
let's get her to see if we do it so when

2033
01:43:00,440 --> 01:42:57,750
I first called her she said you know I

2034
01:43:03,620 --> 01:43:00,450
have a really busy schedule and I don't

2035
01:43:05,290 --> 01:43:03,630
have time and then the next thing I knew

2036
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:05,300
she called she said I'll be there

2037
01:43:16,370 --> 01:43:12,090
tomorrow morning we so she flew down the

2038
01:43:19,630 --> 01:43:16,380
next day and we went through this

2039
01:43:22,790 --> 01:43:19,640
hypnosis session at the house here and

2040
01:43:26,420 --> 01:43:22,800
she was here she spent three days with

2041
01:43:29,590 --> 01:43:26,430
me and you know we did a lot of fact

2042
01:43:33,340 --> 01:43:29,600
hunting because that's like I told her

2043
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:33,350
all I'm trying to do after all this time

2044
01:43:39,890 --> 01:43:37,530
is figure out what really did happen it

2045
01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:39,900
don't matter to me what happening it's

2046
01:43:45,860 --> 01:43:41,690
figuring out what really did happen

2047
01:43:48,350 --> 01:43:45,870
mm-hmm and I don't think we really

2048
01:43:51,140 --> 01:43:48,360
figured out exactly what all happened

2049
01:43:54,830 --> 01:43:51,150
but all her hypnosis thing is in this

2050
01:43:56,780 --> 01:43:54,840
new book and we're gonna talk let's uh

2051
01:43:59,300 --> 01:43:56,790
Calvin can I get you to hang on for some

2052
01:44:01,850 --> 01:43:59,310
overtime I told you earlier sir we're

2053
01:44:04,010 --> 01:44:01,860
gonna run out of time right and inviter

2054
01:44:08,900 --> 01:44:04,020
enough we're right there I need to take

2055
01:44:11,250 --> 01:44:08,910
a break and there's so much more that

2056
01:44:13,380 --> 01:44:11,260
has happened since

2057
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:13,390
well since you started the new book the

2058
01:44:18,930 --> 01:44:16,330
new book has been the the first book has

2059
01:44:21,240 --> 01:44:18,940
been released now all of this new

2060
01:44:23,010 --> 01:44:21,250
information is coming out that is going

2061
01:44:26,370 --> 01:44:23,020
to be in the new book and I actually

2062
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:26,380
want to go back and and touch on some of

2063
01:44:32,220 --> 01:44:29,050
these points that that ended up

2064
01:44:33,900 --> 01:44:32,230
happening since the release of the first

2065
01:44:38,160 --> 01:44:33,910
book which seems like that was just

2066
01:44:41,400 --> 01:44:38,170
yesterday right and and here we are with

2067
01:44:44,910 --> 01:44:41,410
the new book when is it going to be

2068
01:44:47,729 --> 01:44:44,920
finished you have any idea oh it hit the

2069
01:44:49,520 --> 01:44:47,739
market today oh it did I thought it was

2070
01:44:51,780 --> 01:44:49,530
next week

2071
01:44:53,610 --> 01:44:51,790
October the 1st you can order through

2072
01:44:56,580 --> 01:44:53,620
Amazon No

2073
01:45:01,979 --> 01:44:56,590
okay well I haven't got the new book yet

2074
01:45:05,340 --> 01:45:01,989
how did that happen hey you know I sat

2075
01:45:07,770 --> 01:45:05,350
down you know I just got mine also and I

2076
01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:07,780
sat down and read it and to be honest

2077
01:45:13,140 --> 01:45:10,690
with you oh I ain't Joe it a lot more

2078
01:45:14,820 --> 01:45:13,150
than I did the first full well we'll

2079
01:45:16,490 --> 01:45:14,830
talk about that when we come back let's

2080
01:45:19,710 --> 01:45:16,500
go ahead and take our break right here

2081
01:45:23,010 --> 01:45:19,720
everybody is yelling for overtime well

2082
01:45:24,870 --> 01:45:23,020
they got it Calvin so let's take a quick

2083
01:45:26,370 --> 01:45:24,880
break this is fade to black our guest

2084
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:26,380
tonight Calvin Parker we're talking

2085
01:45:31,830 --> 01:45:29,290
about the Pascagoula incident what a

2086
01:45:33,330 --> 01:45:31,840
conversation overtime is next this is

2087
01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:33,340
fade to black in the game changer

2088
01:45:40,230 --> 01:45:36,370
network and kgr a the planet stay with

2089
01:45:40,240 --> 01:45:48,200
[Music]

2090
01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:49,950
welcome back fade to black

2091
01:45:55,440 --> 01:45:52,930
I am your host Jimmy Church the links

2092
01:45:57,990 --> 01:45:55,450
for Calvin right there at Jimmy Church

2093
01:46:01,290 --> 01:45:58,000
radio calm the new books just got

2094
01:46:03,630 --> 01:46:01,300
released today and you can go and get

2095
01:46:06,900 --> 01:46:03,640
both of yours right now by clicking and

2096
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:06,910
now Calvin this is what I want to get

2097
01:46:12,500 --> 01:46:09,610
into some of these new revelations but

2098
01:46:16,760 --> 01:46:12,510
the other part is you've been you know

2099
01:46:21,750 --> 01:46:16,770
staying in the background for 45 years

2100
01:46:25,070 --> 01:46:21,760
what the support that you have now you

2101
01:46:29,070 --> 01:46:25,080
know when you go to a conference and

2102
01:46:30,510 --> 01:46:29,080
everybody is there to to say welcome you

2103
01:46:32,460 --> 01:46:30,520
know you know you're part of us that's

2104
01:46:37,410 --> 01:46:32,470
that's pretty cool isn't it I mean the

2105
01:46:40,830 --> 01:46:37,420
UFO community is is very warm oh I love

2106
01:46:43,830 --> 01:46:40,840
it and you know I I really didn't think

2107
01:46:46,020 --> 01:46:43,840
I would when I started these conferences

2108
01:46:48,810 --> 01:46:46,030
I told Phillip you know the book came

2109
01:46:52,440 --> 01:46:48,820
out last you lie he's supposed to come

2110
01:46:56,340 --> 01:46:52,450
out in September but we released it a

2111
01:46:58,710 --> 01:46:56,350
little early and he said well you need

2112
01:47:00,990 --> 01:46:58,720
to make a few conferences and you know

2113
01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:01,000
talk about the book to be honest I

2114
01:47:05,910 --> 01:47:03,250
didn't figure I'd sell 10 copies and I'd

2115
01:47:07,980 --> 01:47:05,920
had to buy them and I was gonna get one

2116
01:47:11,070 --> 01:47:07,990
day's one of my family members so I went

2117
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:11,080
that set and tell them story but gosh

2118
01:47:17,160 --> 01:47:13,690
this book is well over the limits that's

2119
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:17,170
that's uh that and it should and it

2120
01:47:24,300 --> 01:47:20,290
should but that's that's the beautiful

2121
01:47:27,780 --> 01:47:24,310
thing Calvin about our community is you

2122
01:47:29,220 --> 01:47:27,790
can go and just be Calvin Parker you

2123
01:47:32,430 --> 01:47:29,230
know just be yourself

2124
01:47:33,990 --> 01:47:32,440
it's all good to just you know just come

2125
01:47:35,060 --> 01:47:34,000
on out and hang out with us that's all

2126
01:47:38,460 --> 01:47:35,070
it is isn't it

2127
01:47:41,310 --> 01:47:38,470
that's it and if these comforters I

2128
01:47:43,680 --> 01:47:41,320
didn't figure out like them but ever

2129
01:47:48,420 --> 01:47:43,690
conference I went to I have thoroughly

2130
01:47:52,260 --> 01:47:48,430
enjoyed and the last one was there in

2131
01:47:55,380 --> 01:47:52,270
Phoenix and gosh I would get up I'd stay

2132
01:47:58,830 --> 01:47:55,390
up until one o'clock in the morning you

2133
01:48:00,380 --> 01:47:58,840
know and just visit with the people that

2134
01:48:03,680 --> 01:48:00,390
come by I want to talk

2135
01:48:07,490 --> 01:48:03,690
set up a table and I should have took a

2136
01:48:10,490 --> 01:48:07,500
hundred books cuz you know I sold

2137
01:48:13,850 --> 01:48:10,500
everything I had the first hire we was

2138
01:48:15,350 --> 01:48:13,860
there but I met some great people I got

2139
01:48:18,620 --> 01:48:15,360
to spend time with Oh

2140
01:48:23,570 --> 01:48:18,630
Paul honey that's January john allen

2141
01:48:27,440 --> 01:48:23,580
hynek's our son kathleen martin Travis

2142
01:48:29,180 --> 01:48:27,450
Walton and the story goes on I I was

2143
01:48:32,510 --> 01:48:29,190
watching all the pictures of you I'm

2144
01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:32,520
like check Calvin out Calvin's a rock

2145
01:48:35,930 --> 01:48:34,170
star and you didn't even know it you

2146
01:48:40,820 --> 01:48:35,940
didn't even know and that's what I'm

2147
01:48:43,190 --> 01:48:40,830
trying to say we have been talking about

2148
01:48:47,150 --> 01:48:43,200
you and and and what you went through

2149
01:48:49,460 --> 01:48:47,160
and this extraordinary encounter for

2150
01:48:53,300 --> 01:48:49,470
years and now I've had the chance to sit

2151
01:48:58,400 --> 01:48:53,310
and talk to you about it now Travis

2152
01:49:00,920 --> 01:48:58,410
Walton now he's a great friend III just

2153
01:49:03,140 --> 01:49:00,930
hold I just hold him dear right

2154
01:49:06,290 --> 01:49:03,150
Travis is amazing did you get a chance

2155
01:49:09,980 --> 01:49:06,300
to sit down and talk to Travis we did

2156
01:49:11,810 --> 01:49:09,990
now I've known of Travis because you

2157
01:49:14,210 --> 01:49:11,820
know his thing happened pretty close to

2158
01:49:16,310 --> 01:49:14,220
the same time ours did and then I even

2159
01:49:19,280 --> 01:49:16,320
went to the movie to watch this movie

2160
01:49:21,350 --> 01:49:19,290
fire in the sky and I I actually been

2161
01:49:24,320 --> 01:49:21,360
wanting to talk to Travis so when I met

2162
01:49:25,820 --> 01:49:24,330
him at the conference his table was

2163
01:49:29,960 --> 01:49:25,830
right back behind ours

2164
01:49:32,030 --> 01:49:29,970
my wife had some old cheap jewelry made

2165
01:49:35,300 --> 01:49:32,040
up trying to sell it there now you know

2166
01:49:37,630 --> 01:49:35,310
just how something to do so I'd go back

2167
01:49:43,430 --> 01:49:37,640
and sit and talk with Travis and gosh

2168
01:49:47,210 --> 01:49:43,440
he's amazing he's just a warming person

2169
01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:47,220
and he's quiet and you know he's not out

2170
01:49:53,090 --> 01:49:49,050
for the publicity or nothing he's just

2171
01:49:56,030 --> 01:49:53,100
just out there he just to everyday quiet

2172
01:50:00,410 --> 01:49:56,040
good going persons you know I got one

2173
01:50:03,140 --> 01:50:00,420
word for Travis cool exactly he's like

2174
01:50:05,300 --> 01:50:03,150
the cool side of the pillow and he had

2175
01:50:07,730 --> 01:50:05,310
his guitar with him and then they went

2176
01:50:09,470 --> 01:50:07,740
up and had a little sang alone I was

2177
01:50:11,870 --> 01:50:09,480
actually gonna go up and join them on

2178
01:50:14,240 --> 01:50:11,880
the top stairs but I got feeling bad

2179
01:50:19,190 --> 01:50:14,250
that night

2180
01:50:23,150 --> 01:50:19,200
oh but you know what Travis and I as a

2181
01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:23,160
couple of months ago we sat down and and

2182
01:50:28,150 --> 01:50:24,930
played some guitar and you know what we

2183
01:50:30,830 --> 01:50:28,160
sang you know what I sang no totally I

2184
01:50:35,180 --> 01:50:30,840
sang I saying

2185
01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:35,190
Lucille bike oh yeah my god

2186
01:50:45,500 --> 01:50:42,690
George no Kenny Kenny Rogers Kenny

2187
01:50:47,240 --> 01:50:45,510
Rogers I had to sign a seal I sang

2188
01:50:52,430 --> 01:50:47,250
Lucille with a man don't make me do it

2189
01:50:54,410 --> 01:50:52,440
now but I did it then now so - Travis

2190
01:50:57,380 --> 01:50:54,420
ask you any questions I know it's

2191
01:51:00,110 --> 01:50:57,390
private conversation but the both of you

2192
01:51:03,140 --> 01:51:00,120
had two extraordinary abduction

2193
01:51:06,230 --> 01:51:03,150
experiences did you compare notes a

2194
01:51:09,590 --> 01:51:06,240
little bit now we really didn't we

2195
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:09,600
mostly talked about all the people that

2196
01:51:16,280 --> 01:51:11,850
we meant since this has happened mm-hmm

2197
01:51:19,340 --> 01:51:16,290
and you know both of us I've met some

2198
01:51:21,980 --> 01:51:19,350
fantastic people I've got out and got

2199
01:51:24,920 --> 01:51:21,990
friends now you know all through this

2200
01:51:27,590 --> 01:51:24,930
community that I just love to death and

2201
01:51:31,370 --> 01:51:27,600
we stay in touch you know my book is

2202
01:51:33,610 --> 01:51:31,380
open I got on everybody get the social

2203
01:51:36,530 --> 01:51:33,620
media stuff keeps everybody in touch

2204
01:51:40,090 --> 01:51:36,540
most everybody's got my phone number I

2205
01:51:44,090 --> 01:51:40,100
just got a call from all like Paul today

2206
01:51:47,530 --> 01:51:44,100
George now you know people like that

2207
01:51:51,320 --> 01:51:47,540
and they'll just want to say hi sometime

2208
01:51:54,020 --> 01:51:51,330
and and it's great because I'm not a

2209
01:51:57,020 --> 01:51:54,030
people person but they make me feel like

2210
01:51:59,330 --> 01:51:57,030
a people person and I like that feeling

2211
01:52:02,210 --> 01:51:59,340
for a change cuz you know I'm getting

2212
01:52:04,340 --> 01:52:02,220
older mmm and as I told everybody I got

2213
01:52:05,870 --> 01:52:04,350
an expiration date on my head you know

2214
01:52:09,260 --> 01:52:05,880
everybody does mhm

2215
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:09,270
so you know I'm glad I I'm glad this has

2216
01:52:17,110 --> 01:52:13,010
happened now the

2217
01:52:20,820 --> 01:52:17,120
some of some of the witnesses that were

2218
01:52:24,090 --> 01:52:20,830
around have started to come forward and

2219
01:52:27,430 --> 01:52:24,100
that's got to make you feel pretty good

2220
01:52:29,530 --> 01:52:27,440
take us through that who who who

2221
01:52:32,110 --> 01:52:29,540
approached did they do it through you

2222
01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:32,120
through Philip through social media and

2223
01:52:39,310 --> 01:52:33,850
how did this happen

2224
01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:39,320
actually Philip is the one that all they

2225
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:42,650
go to because I I've been so busy going

2226
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:44,810
here and there but Philips like a

2227
01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:46,970
bloodhound when he gets on the track I

2228
01:52:54,850 --> 01:52:52,850
did 18 news with Fox News and somebody

2229
01:52:57,330 --> 01:52:54,860
put it under there the first one that

2230
01:52:59,710 --> 01:52:57,340
came forward they put up under the O

2231
01:53:03,640 --> 01:52:59,720
caption you know will you write a remark

2232
01:53:06,280 --> 01:53:03,650
well my mother seen them the night that

2233
01:53:08,140 --> 01:53:06,290
it happened but she has never talked

2234
01:53:13,150 --> 01:53:08,150
about it but she wants to make mr.

2235
01:53:14,860 --> 01:53:13,160
Parker well that will the lady that did

2236
01:53:18,010 --> 01:53:14,870
it that was Marie Blair that was her

2237
01:53:20,620 --> 01:53:18,020
daughter well it took forever Philip got

2238
01:53:22,720 --> 01:53:20,630
on it like a bloodhound didn't know he

2239
01:53:25,680 --> 01:53:22,730
found trace Blair which was her daughter

2240
01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:25,690
and begged her for Maria's phone number

2241
01:53:29,950 --> 01:53:28,610
and eventually she gave it up and that's

2242
01:53:33,850 --> 01:53:29,960
where it all got started

2243
01:53:35,620 --> 01:53:33,860
so Maria everybody criticized her said

2244
01:53:38,440 --> 01:53:35,630
oh she just wants the attention and

2245
01:53:42,460 --> 01:53:38,450
won't won't certify me that ain't the

2246
01:53:43,450 --> 01:53:42,470
case Maria didn't know come to us we

2247
01:53:45,940 --> 01:53:43,460
went to her

2248
01:53:49,870 --> 01:53:45,950
and she said and told the story now

2249
01:53:52,720 --> 01:53:49,880
recently her husband was in there and

2250
01:53:55,060 --> 01:53:52,730
I'm talking about two weeks ago and he

2251
01:53:59,860 --> 01:53:55,070
always said don't tell nobody that

2252
01:54:03,100 --> 01:53:59,870
people thank you crazy and he he's never

2253
01:54:08,890 --> 01:54:03,110
admitted to see anything but the man was

2254
01:54:10,570 --> 01:54:08,900
in kind on his deathbed and he got told

2255
01:54:13,510 --> 01:54:10,580
him to get the camera out and he wanted

2256
01:54:18,250 --> 01:54:13,520
to say something and he sent Philip an

2257
01:54:20,680 --> 01:54:18,260
hour video of that that did happen at

2258
01:54:22,660 --> 01:54:20,690
night and he also seen it and he just

2259
01:54:24,640 --> 01:54:22,670
wanted to clear the air because he

2260
01:54:26,570 --> 01:54:24,650
didn't want his wife to be the only one

2261
01:54:29,270 --> 01:54:26,580
to walk

2262
01:54:29,870 --> 01:54:29,280
you know little lie she was crazy or

2263
01:54:34,070 --> 01:54:29,880
something

2264
01:54:37,340 --> 01:54:34,080
what did Maria see she sent her craft

2265
01:54:44,240 --> 01:54:37,350
when it landed and then she actually

2266
01:54:46,700 --> 01:54:44,250
seen one of the one of the aliens from

2267
01:54:49,730 --> 01:54:46,710
the craft but this one was in the water

2268
01:54:52,130 --> 01:54:49,740
when she seen it and you know that's

2269
01:54:56,690 --> 01:54:52,140
kind of strange and it correspond it

2270
01:54:58,940 --> 01:54:56,700
will the co-star report because two days

2271
01:55:01,190 --> 01:54:58,950
after that happened the Coast Guard was

2272
01:55:05,960 --> 01:55:01,200
called out and that's all documented in

2273
01:55:08,900 --> 01:55:05,970
the book hmm to report in the guise the

2274
01:55:11,630 --> 01:55:08,910
crew came on five different crew members

2275
01:55:13,910 --> 01:55:11,640
seen something under the water and they

2276
01:55:16,370 --> 01:55:13,920
actually took something something they

2277
01:55:19,340 --> 01:55:16,380
grabbed and bumped it under the water

2278
01:55:21,740 --> 01:55:19,350
and it was the UFO and that's documented

2279
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:21,750
in government files right there and

2280
01:55:27,650 --> 01:55:24,570
that's all in the book that's some some

2281
01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:27,660
of the people that was you know talking

2282
01:55:33,740 --> 01:55:30,570
about it and then there was a crane

2283
01:55:36,830 --> 01:55:33,750
operator that was working across the

2284
01:55:39,200 --> 01:55:36,840
river running a crane well on his gantry

2285
01:55:42,140 --> 01:55:39,210
cranes you you know you set up real high

2286
01:55:45,110 --> 01:55:42,150
and he seemed to thing when it landed

2287
01:55:46,910 --> 01:55:45,120
they was busy working so he couldn't set

2288
01:55:49,580 --> 01:55:46,920
their study and he didn't know what it

2289
01:55:52,790 --> 01:55:49,590
was but he actually physically said it

2290
01:55:56,960 --> 01:55:52,800
when it landed then we got a probation

2291
01:55:59,510 --> 01:55:56,970
officer and a preacher the probation

2292
01:56:02,540 --> 01:55:59,520
officer was driving on highway 90 across

2293
01:56:04,760 --> 01:56:02,550
the bridge and he seen it you know and

2294
01:56:10,790 --> 01:56:04,770
that's law enforcement there right right

2295
01:56:13,400 --> 01:56:10,800
and then a preacher Oh witnessed the

2296
01:56:16,310 --> 01:56:13,410
whole thing he was on him he was down

2297
01:56:19,010 --> 01:56:16,320
here doing a revival and for a preacher

2298
01:56:21,080 --> 01:56:19,020
to come out with something like that you

2299
01:56:24,140 --> 01:56:21,090
know that's got to be serious

2300
01:56:27,020 --> 01:56:24,150
it was two or three other ladies in here

2301
01:56:29,360 --> 01:56:27,030
and they all and every one times in the

2302
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:29,370
new book in their testimony

2303
01:56:34,730 --> 01:56:32,010
matter of fact Irene Scott did the

2304
01:56:36,890 --> 01:56:34,740
interview will and she's a good writer

2305
01:56:39,460 --> 01:56:36,900
and wrote down all their testimonies and

2306
01:56:42,970 --> 01:56:39,470
now while Philip worked on

2307
01:56:44,980 --> 01:56:42,980
of things but it's a lot of good

2308
01:56:47,980 --> 01:56:44,990
information that came out of this book

2309
01:56:50,830 --> 01:56:47,990
and some of it I didn't mean know about

2310
01:56:55,750 --> 01:56:50,840
like I knew about the witnesses because

2311
01:56:58,540 --> 01:56:55,760
we all got together and you don't had a

2312
01:57:00,670 --> 01:56:58,550
little interview over that together and

2313
01:57:02,740 --> 01:57:00,680
the knees did a clip on them

2314
01:57:05,500 --> 01:57:02,750
when we had that and I did a book

2315
01:57:08,110 --> 01:57:05,510
signing and they all came to that and we

2316
01:57:12,370 --> 01:57:08,120
all got to sit out at all they good

2317
01:57:14,490 --> 01:57:12,380
credible people and they not they not

2318
01:57:17,680 --> 01:57:14,500
there for the fame or nothing like that

2319
01:57:19,660 --> 01:57:17,690
they just wanted to tell their story and

2320
01:57:22,690 --> 01:57:19,670
they felt like it was time to tell it

2321
01:57:24,850 --> 01:57:22,700
and I believed it you never want them

2322
01:57:27,340 --> 01:57:24,860
and if I didn't I'd be the first one to

2323
01:57:28,510 --> 01:57:27,350
say well you know they didn't say that

2324
01:57:33,640 --> 01:57:28,520
right right

2325
01:57:35,560 --> 01:57:33,650
and the I'm so happy that that all of

2326
01:57:37,960 --> 01:57:35,570
this has happened I mean you need it I

2327
01:57:40,120 --> 01:57:37,970
mean you need it personally you know you

2328
01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:40,130
yeah there's got to be times where you

2329
01:57:45,250 --> 01:57:41,770
go man I thought maybe I'm just crazy

2330
01:57:48,700 --> 01:57:45,260
and and I get that thought you know and

2331
01:57:50,890 --> 01:57:48,710
and you need the support from those

2332
01:57:53,140 --> 01:57:50,900
witnesses and I think and this is the

2333
01:57:56,860 --> 01:57:53,150
question I think that one of the reasons

2334
01:57:59,500 --> 01:57:56,870
why some but so many are okay with

2335
01:58:02,170 --> 01:57:59,510
talking about it is what has happened in

2336
01:58:06,840 --> 01:58:02,180
the last two years with the UFO subject

2337
01:58:12,730 --> 01:58:06,850
in the media it wasn't like this in 1973

2338
01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:12,740
today right today it's okay right yeah I

2339
01:58:19,780 --> 01:58:15,290
mean look at the History Channel that'll

2340
01:58:22,060 --> 01:58:19,790
H it alien you know things like that you

2341
01:58:25,270 --> 01:58:22,070
yummy and it actually the government

2342
01:58:29,200 --> 01:58:25,280
starting to come out a little bit and I

2343
01:58:29,890 --> 01:58:29,210
know if president trunk same one he

2344
01:58:31,810 --> 01:58:29,900
would all

2345
01:58:35,350 --> 01:58:31,820
tweet about it cuz he tweets about

2346
01:58:38,530 --> 01:58:35,360
everything that said the same thing he'd

2347
01:58:40,540 --> 01:58:38,540
be the first person to tweet yeah so I

2348
01:58:44,290 --> 01:58:40,550
watch his tweets pretty regular

2349
01:58:47,920 --> 01:58:44,300
sometimes he's his own worst enemy at

2350
01:58:51,700 --> 01:58:47,930
times would easy so what do you think

2351
01:58:52,930 --> 01:58:51,710
about you know the Navy talking about

2352
01:58:54,580 --> 01:58:52,940
this and the Senate

2353
01:58:57,340 --> 01:58:54,590
getting briefed on it and of course

2354
01:58:59,830 --> 01:58:57,350
Tucker Carlson talking to President

2355
01:59:03,310 --> 01:58:59,840
Trump about UFOs it's never been this

2356
01:59:05,770 --> 01:59:03,320
kind of party no it hadn't been and it's

2357
01:59:09,189 --> 01:59:05,780
coming up actually I was on water

2358
01:59:11,650 --> 01:59:09,199
swirled on Fox News mm-hmm and I was

2359
01:59:15,220 --> 01:59:11,660
treated with a lot of great respect from

2360
01:59:18,670 --> 01:59:15,230
Jesse Watters that does that show right

2361
01:59:20,080 --> 01:59:18,680
yeah he told me we we got into it and he

2362
01:59:21,459 --> 01:59:20,090
said well we're gonna have to cut you

2363
01:59:24,189 --> 01:59:21,469
short a little bit we got some breaking

2364
01:59:28,810 --> 01:59:24,199
news and I figured something bad might

2365
01:59:30,760 --> 01:59:28,820
happen somewhere and he said no Ernie

2366
01:59:34,840 --> 01:59:30,770
and Bernie come out of the closet on

2367
01:59:37,060 --> 01:59:34,850
Sesame Street my son he told me that I

2368
01:59:40,810 --> 01:59:37,070
looked at his camera man I said don't

2369
01:59:44,890 --> 01:59:43,270
I'll get you fired if you do I'm gonna

2370
01:59:48,700 --> 01:59:44,900
finish my interview I didn't come this

2371
01:59:51,729 --> 01:59:48,710
far and fly this far not to finish what

2372
01:59:53,830 --> 01:59:51,739
I started here but you know Jesse heard

2373
01:59:56,380 --> 01:59:53,840
me when I was talking to him and they

2374
01:59:58,150 --> 01:59:56,390
told him just keep the breaking news can

2375
02:00:01,689 --> 01:59:58,160
wait a little bit yeah Bernie and Ernie

2376
02:00:05,050 --> 02:00:01,699
can wait yeah I believe they can too I

2377
02:00:07,180 --> 02:00:05,060
didn't he know that was in the closet

2378
02:00:09,040 --> 02:00:07,190
I thought they slept in separate beds

2379
02:00:12,310 --> 02:00:09,050
I'm kind of freaking out right now okay

2380
02:00:15,939 --> 02:00:12,320
yeah but that was the breaking news and

2381
02:00:17,950 --> 02:00:15,949
no it was actually kind of highest my

2382
02:00:20,320 --> 02:00:17,960
daughter uh she did you know Bernie and

2383
02:00:28,240 --> 02:00:20,330
Ernie was in the cloud who is a

2384
02:00:29,680 --> 02:00:28,250
attentive Sesame Street oh man I okay

2385
02:00:33,820 --> 02:00:29,690
all right let's see let's get back on

2386
02:00:35,800 --> 02:00:33,830
track here Bernie and Ernie that they

2387
02:00:37,570 --> 02:00:35,810
did freak me out when I was a kid I kind

2388
02:00:39,459 --> 02:00:37,580
of wondered about that a little bit you

2389
02:00:41,350 --> 02:00:39,469
know I didn't know it was in that

2390
02:00:45,850 --> 02:00:41,360
direction but I did feel a little funky

2391
02:00:50,729 --> 02:00:45,860
about Bernie and Ernie yeah now but the

2392
02:00:54,160 --> 02:00:50,739
other the other part of about this we're

2393
02:00:56,770 --> 02:00:54,170
down in down in Mississippi I mean it's

2394
02:00:58,360 --> 02:00:56,780
the same same everywhere in the South

2395
02:01:00,670 --> 02:00:58,370
you know Texas Arkansas Louisiana

2396
02:01:03,189 --> 02:01:00,680
Mississippi

2397
02:01:06,459 --> 02:01:03,199
you know Tennessee Kentucky Georgia

2398
02:01:09,840 --> 02:01:06,469
Alabama certainly Florida

2399
02:01:13,510 --> 02:01:09,850
you keep the family business at home

2400
02:01:16,540 --> 02:01:13,520
that rock that that no matter what goes

2401
02:01:17,320 --> 02:01:16,550
on out there what goes on here stays

2402
02:01:19,450 --> 02:01:17,330
here

2403
02:01:20,709 --> 02:01:19,460
and for those witnesses that you're

2404
02:01:22,990 --> 02:01:20,719
talking about right now the crane

2405
02:01:26,590 --> 02:01:23,000
operator or in law enforcement or the

2406
02:01:30,390 --> 02:01:26,600
the preacher the this stuff they you

2407
02:01:33,310 --> 02:01:30,400
keep that stuff you know inside now

2408
02:01:35,530 --> 02:01:33,320
because of the way the media is starting

2409
02:01:37,990 --> 02:01:35,540
to treat this and Fox and CNN and the

2410
02:01:42,220 --> 02:01:38,000
newspapers now people are a little more

2411
02:01:44,290 --> 02:01:42,230
comfortable in coming forward and that's

2412
02:01:47,109 --> 02:01:44,300
what we can be really thankful for right

2413
02:01:50,260 --> 02:01:47,119
because they didn't come forward in 1973

2414
02:01:53,080 --> 02:01:50,270
did they know and if you had mentioned

2415
02:01:54,310 --> 02:01:53,090
it in 1973 special are down here on the

2416
02:01:56,620 --> 02:01:54,320
staff you might have found yourself

2417
02:01:59,320 --> 02:01:56,630
hanging from a tree somewhere that's

2418
02:02:01,450 --> 02:01:59,330
right that's right well I mean she was

2419
02:02:03,609 --> 02:02:01,460
crazy yeah yeah yeah kind of joke about

2420
02:02:06,910 --> 02:02:03,619
it but I get what you're saying there

2421
02:02:10,810 --> 02:02:06,920
and then the other part I wanted to ask

2422
02:02:13,270 --> 02:02:10,820
you about this earlier with Charles

2423
02:02:16,930 --> 02:02:13,280
going out there you know on The Tonight

2424
02:02:20,020 --> 02:02:16,940
Show and all over the news now comedians

2425
02:02:22,330 --> 02:02:20,030
were making fun of you guys right and in

2426
02:02:25,870 --> 02:02:22,340
all of those jokes you know and that's

2427
02:02:28,090 --> 02:02:25,880
exactly why people don't talk because

2428
02:02:29,620 --> 02:02:28,100
you don't want to be you know you don't

2429
02:02:32,200 --> 02:02:29,630
want to be the subject of somebody's

2430
02:02:33,790 --> 02:02:32,210
jokes and that went on for a long time

2431
02:02:38,470 --> 02:02:33,800
didn't it must have been hard to listen

2432
02:02:41,830 --> 02:02:38,480
to you know the bad part about it this

2433
02:02:43,990 --> 02:02:41,840
is to me and a lot of other people this

2434
02:02:48,600 --> 02:02:44,000
is no joke to me I mean it's something

2435
02:02:52,209 --> 02:02:48,610
real serious and I'm still in the quest

2436
02:02:54,459 --> 02:02:52,219
to find answers that's all I want and

2437
02:02:59,709 --> 02:02:54,469
when I find him I go ahead and retire

2438
02:03:01,629 --> 02:02:59,719
and go back to fishing right well let's

2439
02:03:02,919 --> 02:03:01,639
hope you get those answers I'm still

2440
02:03:07,629 --> 02:03:02,929
trying to find him myself

2441
02:03:10,020 --> 02:03:07,639
the the puncture wounds yeah I I wrote

2442
02:03:13,780 --> 02:03:10,030
that down here the puncture wounds did

2443
02:03:17,050 --> 02:03:13,790
did the the drugs or whatever was

2444
02:03:17,730 --> 02:03:17,060
injected in you did the blood ever come

2445
02:03:22,650 --> 02:03:17,740
back and

2446
02:03:26,280 --> 02:03:22,660
show what that was they kept all dr.

2447
02:03:29,190 --> 02:03:26,290
Bosco had the records and all that and

2448
02:03:34,860 --> 02:03:29,200
he was fixed an eternal loose with my

2449
02:03:36,720 --> 02:03:34,870
permission and I wanted to copy ever now

2450
02:03:40,500 --> 02:03:36,730
this is before I was even thinking about

2451
02:03:44,280 --> 02:03:40,510
the bull right and then tamil' came

2452
02:03:46,380 --> 02:03:44,290
through in about 80% of the coast head I

2453
02:03:50,690 --> 02:03:46,390
know we had eight foot of water in our

2454
02:03:54,540 --> 02:03:50,700
house and back then and they didn't know

2455
02:03:56,850 --> 02:03:54,550
put some records on electronics on a

2456
02:04:01,170 --> 02:03:56,860
hard drive or nothing it was all hand

2457
02:04:04,740 --> 02:04:01,180
records see that was from 73 so they and

2458
02:04:07,020 --> 02:04:04,750
Camille came in 2005 and they was in the

2459
02:04:09,780 --> 02:04:07,030
process of transfer and everything all

2460
02:04:13,200 --> 02:04:09,790
the records over to all computers and

2461
02:04:16,820 --> 02:04:13,210
they got destroyed before then so it's

2462
02:04:21,360 --> 02:04:16,830
just been one thing right after another

2463
02:04:22,680 --> 02:04:21,370
Wow are they dying for Bosco's 95 now

2464
02:04:26,940 --> 02:04:22,690
and he's still alive

2465
02:04:29,400 --> 02:04:26,950
and he comes to the he sent his grandson

2466
02:04:32,970 --> 02:04:29,410
to the book signing for me to sign a

2467
02:04:36,060 --> 02:04:32,980
copy for him and his grandson is also a

2468
02:04:39,030 --> 02:04:36,070
doctor now and he asked me this was just

2469
02:04:42,510 --> 02:04:39,040
recently a couple of days ago if I would

2470
02:04:52,140 --> 02:04:42,520
get my I see him and I'm making plans to

2471
02:04:57,240 --> 02:04:52,150
go see him now the the the closing part

2472
02:04:59,220 --> 02:04:57,250
of this for you how are you today and I

2473
02:05:04,740 --> 02:04:59,230
know we've kind of discussed it a little

2474
02:05:09,230 --> 02:05:04,750
bit but if if the opportunity happened

2475
02:05:12,710 --> 02:05:09,240
again right another craft another being

2476
02:05:17,460 --> 02:05:12,720
how would you be okay with it

2477
02:05:19,710 --> 02:05:17,470
now either way I mean it would be a

2478
02:05:22,740 --> 02:05:19,720
little different if they would come and

2479
02:05:25,740 --> 02:05:22,750
ask my permission right you know I might

2480
02:05:28,760 --> 02:05:25,750
sit down and talk to them but I've

2481
02:05:31,649 --> 02:05:28,770
accepted what has happened now and

2482
02:05:35,280 --> 02:05:31,659
actually it's been good

2483
02:05:38,370 --> 02:05:35,290
for me it's been good from a while one

2484
02:05:40,950 --> 02:05:38,380
thing you know I set her down when she

2485
02:05:43,350 --> 02:05:40,960
heard a lot of these shows and all been

2486
02:05:45,090 --> 02:05:43,360
said through news interviews and she's

2487
02:05:47,490 --> 02:05:45,100
been right there by my side through the

2488
02:05:50,010 --> 02:05:47,500
whole thing and I set her down and we

2489
02:05:53,310 --> 02:05:50,020
covered the detail so that opened up the

2490
02:05:54,870 --> 02:05:53,320
honesty thing for 45 years you know you

2491
02:05:57,060 --> 02:05:54,880
don't tell them one with something they

2492
02:06:00,800 --> 02:05:57,070
get kind of scorn at you that's right

2493
02:06:04,740 --> 02:06:00,810
and we never really took a vacation and

2494
02:06:07,709 --> 02:06:04,750
to us these old conferences is like

2495
02:06:09,899 --> 02:06:07,719
going on vacation somewhere you know you

2496
02:06:13,620 --> 02:06:09,909
know I pay her plane taking their way

2497
02:06:15,720 --> 02:06:13,630
and they pay mine you know how that goes

2498
02:06:17,580 --> 02:06:15,730
and you got get a little thing to speak

2499
02:06:21,090 --> 02:06:17,590
and they'll give us money to get out and

2500
02:06:24,390 --> 02:06:21,100
go somewhere so we got to spend time

2501
02:06:27,240 --> 02:06:24,400
together than we normally hadn't spent

2502
02:06:31,160 --> 02:06:27,250
together I know we went to Laughlin

2503
02:06:35,220 --> 02:06:31,170
Nevada to Mack Allen Texas too well

2504
02:06:39,570 --> 02:06:35,230
Ozark Mountains and some of these places

2505
02:06:41,700 --> 02:06:39,580
we drive and then to Phoenix and they

2506
02:06:50,419 --> 02:06:41,710
just continue and I was supposed to go

2507
02:06:54,209 --> 02:06:50,429
to the UK and I got sick the the wire

2508
02:06:56,129 --> 02:06:54,219
why'd you I mean that's the that's the

2509
02:06:58,350 --> 02:06:56,139
ultimate question right you know I'm

2510
02:07:02,970 --> 02:06:58,360
sure you've asked yourself that you know

2511
02:07:06,180 --> 02:07:02,980
why yeah why you and that's the first

2512
02:07:07,050 --> 02:07:06,190
question and the second one is what what

2513
02:07:10,620 --> 02:07:07,060
do they want

2514
02:07:16,669 --> 02:07:10,630
Calvin well you know I've thought a lot

2515
02:07:21,959 --> 02:07:16,679
about this and I'm thinking you know how

2516
02:07:25,740 --> 02:07:21,969
we used to or not not me but they used

2517
02:07:29,300 --> 02:07:25,750
to experiment with animals too Oh for

2518
02:07:32,700 --> 02:07:29,310
medical reasons and things like this and

2519
02:07:36,209 --> 02:07:32,710
I think that maybe we just a medical

2520
02:07:38,419 --> 02:07:36,219
experiment to him and to see him they

2521
02:07:41,910 --> 02:07:38,429
might can adapt right here on earth

2522
02:07:46,260 --> 02:07:41,920
because I'm not sure that they could if

2523
02:07:48,600 --> 02:07:46,270
they came Brian did you in Charles

2524
02:07:52,890 --> 02:07:48,610
get a chance to you know bury the

2525
02:07:56,580 --> 02:07:52,900
hatchet no last time I sent Charles

2526
02:08:01,640 --> 02:07:56,590
Hickson he'd let his stuff just throw

2527
02:08:04,979 --> 02:08:01,650
him into bankruptcy more or less and I

2528
02:08:07,050 --> 02:08:04,989
seen him one time his son called and

2529
02:08:08,790 --> 02:08:07,060
said they turned electricity off at the

2530
02:08:12,360 --> 02:08:08,800
house window but I had the money to pay

2531
02:08:17,580 --> 02:08:12,370
yet and I did let him have it

2532
02:08:20,430 --> 02:08:17,590
and you know I didn't see Charlie no

2533
02:08:23,370 --> 02:08:20,440
more after that he died just shortly

2534
02:08:27,560 --> 02:08:23,380
what year was that what what year did

2535
02:08:31,950 --> 02:08:27,570
his electricity get shut off that was

2536
02:08:33,780 --> 02:08:31,960
just before he died I was trying to

2537
02:08:36,660 --> 02:08:33,790
think of the day he died he's been dead

2538
02:08:39,330 --> 02:08:36,670
seven eight years right but but he let

2539
02:08:42,720 --> 02:08:39,340
this stuff you know he went from a

2540
02:08:44,250 --> 02:08:42,730
productive human being to follow him and

2541
02:08:47,610 --> 02:08:44,260
everybody to tell you the same thing

2542
02:08:50,399 --> 02:08:47,620
it's no money and writing books about

2543
02:08:53,970 --> 02:08:50,409
the subject nope or admin or anything

2544
02:08:54,780 --> 02:08:53,980
and that's like me I didn't do this for

2545
02:08:57,000 --> 02:08:54,790
the money

2546
02:08:59,760 --> 02:08:57,010
what a little bit of money that we get

2547
02:09:02,700 --> 02:08:59,770
from our book sales and stuff I mostly

2548
02:09:05,700 --> 02:09:02,710
go back to charities and then I donate

2549
02:09:08,550 --> 02:09:05,710
to my community where I live them and

2550
02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:08,560
the Jackson County and then you know I

2551
02:09:14,610 --> 02:09:12,010
try to give the st. Jude's so I want him

2552
02:09:19,320 --> 02:09:14,620
you know it's not the money thing I

2553
02:09:21,419 --> 02:09:19,330
already had my living made so I think

2554
02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:21,429
it's good just donate that a little bit

2555
02:09:26,669 --> 02:09:24,010
and have a clear conscience about it and

2556
02:09:28,260 --> 02:09:26,679
you just never got a chance to do you

2557
02:09:31,860 --> 02:09:28,270
wish you could kind of go back in time

2558
02:09:35,100 --> 02:09:31,870
and and and straighten you know Charles

2559
02:09:39,240 --> 02:09:35,110
out and maybe you know put all the stuff

2560
02:09:43,770 --> 02:09:39,250
behind you I do every day right I regret

2561
02:09:46,290 --> 02:09:43,780
not setting down and speaking to Charlie

2562
02:09:49,919 --> 02:09:46,300
you know us having a conversation kind

2563
02:09:52,290 --> 02:09:49,929
of like we having tonight because after

2564
02:09:53,910 --> 02:09:52,300
that day and I thought he was the one

2565
02:09:57,930 --> 02:09:53,920
that broke the story that pretty well

2566
02:09:58,860 --> 02:09:57,940
just wound us uh mm-hmm now me and

2567
02:10:01,650 --> 02:09:58,870
Charlie never

2568
02:10:05,640 --> 02:10:01,660
was friends but he was friends my father

2569
02:10:08,370 --> 02:10:05,650
and back before he even moved to pass

2570
02:10:11,220 --> 02:10:08,380
but you live before I came down we used

2571
02:10:14,460 --> 02:10:11,230
to all being his children was all real

2572
02:10:16,530 --> 02:10:14,470
close and we would all go fishing on

2573
02:10:20,160 --> 02:10:16,540
camping trips together on a regular

2574
02:10:24,780 --> 02:10:20,170
basis and you know it was a lot of fun

2575
02:10:25,470 --> 02:10:24,790
all that stopped all that stopped that

2576
02:10:32,760 --> 02:10:25,480
ain't right

2577
02:10:35,010 --> 02:10:32,770
the new book is out finally we get to

2578
02:10:37,560 --> 02:10:35,020
hear from you Calvin and this was just a

2579
02:10:40,250 --> 02:10:37,570
wonderful wonderful conversation tonight

2580
02:10:43,080 --> 02:10:40,260
I look forward to not only meeting you

2581
02:10:45,690 --> 02:10:43,090
and hanging out and break some bread but

2582
02:10:47,430 --> 02:10:45,700
get you back on the show and let's have

2583
02:10:49,230 --> 02:10:47,440
another conversation you down for that

2584
02:10:52,260 --> 02:10:49,240
I'm down for that

2585
02:10:54,390 --> 02:10:52,270
by then the other book could be kind of

2586
02:10:56,130 --> 02:10:54,400
circulating around a little bit I can't

2587
02:10:58,460 --> 02:10:56,140
wait to get it I can't wait to get it

2588
02:11:00,990 --> 02:10:58,470
and do me a favor

2589
02:11:04,560 --> 02:11:01,000
tell-tell why not thank you for letting

2590
02:11:08,540 --> 02:11:04,570
you stay up late oh I will I think she's

2591
02:11:16,020 --> 02:11:12,630
Calvin you are amazing and this is uh

2592
02:11:18,990 --> 02:11:16,030
this has just been very special not only

2593
02:11:21,090 --> 02:11:19,000
for myself tonight but for our entire

2594
02:11:22,920 --> 02:11:21,100
audience keep doing what you're doing

2595
02:11:25,830 --> 02:11:22,930
your feet are on the ground man don't

2596
02:11:27,600 --> 02:11:25,840
change and I look forward to the next

2597
02:11:29,820 --> 02:11:27,610
time thank you so much Calvin oh I'm

2598
02:11:31,560 --> 02:11:29,830
looking forward just any time you get

2599
02:11:33,180 --> 02:11:31,570
ready to get you booked rate it and

2600
02:11:36,570 --> 02:11:33,190
figure out what you want to ask and we'd

2601
02:11:39,630 --> 02:11:36,580
do this again because I thoroughly enjoy

2602
02:11:41,700 --> 02:11:39,640
this thank you so much man and you know

2603
02:11:43,890 --> 02:11:41,710
what I knew it was gonna be like this

2604
02:11:46,500 --> 02:11:43,900
Calvin you know I knew that but let's

2605
02:11:48,390 --> 02:11:46,510
let's let's pull it back a little bit so

2606
02:11:51,570 --> 02:11:48,400
we can save some for the next

2607
02:11:53,520 --> 02:11:51,580
conversation there you go Calvin Parker

2608
02:11:54,210 --> 02:11:53,530
thank you so much Calvin enjoy the rest

2609
02:11:58,200 --> 02:11:54,220
of your evening

2610
02:12:01,470 --> 02:11:58,210
thank you ba-ba-ba-ba Calvin Parker now

2611
02:12:03,600 --> 02:12:01,480
the the links are right there at Jimmy

2612
02:12:06,330 --> 02:12:03,610
Church radio.com it'll take you straight

2613
02:12:08,730 --> 02:12:06,340
to flying disc press and I do want to

2614
02:12:10,810 --> 02:12:08,740
thank mr. Philip mantel over in the UK

2615
02:12:12,700 --> 02:12:10,820
not only for

2616
02:12:16,300 --> 02:12:12,710
getting Calvin on the show but

2617
02:12:18,610 --> 02:12:16,310
publishing the books and bringing all of

2618
02:12:22,930 --> 02:12:18,620
this stuff forward it is very important

2619
02:12:25,210 --> 02:12:22,940
for us and the community and again the

2620
02:12:27,880 --> 02:12:25,220
links are over at Jimmy Church radio.com

2621
02:12:31,180 --> 02:12:27,890
wow what a conversation tonight I don't

2622
02:12:34,390 --> 02:12:31,190
even know where to start I need to

2623
02:12:35,920 --> 02:12:34,400
digest this and and get through it all

2624
02:12:37,510 --> 02:12:35,930
but that was just an amazing

2625
02:12:40,600 --> 02:12:37,520
conversation what a great guy right

2626
02:12:43,570 --> 02:12:40,610
Calvin Parker made me laugh too many

2627
02:12:46,630 --> 02:12:43,580
times very serious subject but just made

2628
02:12:49,720 --> 02:12:46,640
me laugh he is he is alright Calvin

2629
02:12:54,370 --> 02:12:49,730
Parker tomorrow night Tony topping is

2630
02:12:57,730 --> 02:12:54,380
here live from the UK full life of

2631
02:13:01,770 --> 02:12:57,740
contact experiences and I'm going to

2632
02:13:04,330 --> 02:13:01,780
save the details of all of that for our

2633
02:13:07,210 --> 02:13:04,340
conversation tomorrow night but all the

2634
02:13:08,800 --> 02:13:07,220
links for Tony are right there at Jimmy

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Church radio.com so we have two

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first-time guests this week then of

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course Thursday night is another Fator

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night with open lines all night long

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with that I'm gonna get out of here

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great night back after our weekend in

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Palm Springs Calvin Parker

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betablox executive producer is Rita

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Kumari on shows produced by Hill J palm

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Renee Dennison Bob announcers are Steve

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harder Jean Patou

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mark D Koba webmaster is Drew the geek

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music doug aldrich intros space boy

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space boy music calm theta black is

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produced by kjsurya the game changer

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network syndication is kgr a the planet

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is broadcast on the copyright of 2019 by

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fade to black in the game changer

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it cannot be rebroadcast downloaded

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beta black for the game changer network

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Thank You Calvin Parker amazing amazing

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conversation until tomorrow night with

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Tony topping I want everybody to be

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